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	<title>Comments on: Murtha is still spineless, still denying rights of the accused</title>
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		<title>By: saoirse</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2006/05/30/murtha-is-still-spineless-still-denying-rights-of-the-accused/#comment-12246</link>
		<dc:creator>saoirse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Beth. For a while there I thought I had imagined it. I have dvr, so at the time I heard her interview I was able to rewind over and over. I couldn&#039;t believe she said it.  

Why isn&#039;t that being played on every american newstation? Over and over. It should be in the headlines of american newspapers. The american public needs to see that over and over. Quite honestly I think CNN has the best stories on this. The one about the inbed in Haditha. Well, there you go!! Its not an excuse, but a reality. 

Take care and God Bless!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Beth. For a while there I thought I had imagined it. I have dvr, so at the time I heard her interview I was able to rewind over and over. I couldn&#8217;t believe she said it.  </p>
<p>Why isn&#8217;t that being played on every american newstation? Over and over. It should be in the headlines of american newspapers. The american public needs to see that over and over. Quite honestly I think CNN has the best stories on this. The one about the inbed in Haditha. Well, there you go!! Its not an excuse, but a reality. </p>
<p>Take care and God Bless!</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2006/05/30/murtha-is-still-spineless-still-denying-rights-of-the-accused/#comment-12224</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 00:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I caught that too, saoirse, and I want to know the same thing.  DID she (and they) know about it?  Was her father/grandfather/whatever the one who actually planted the IED?  Funny how only one of the girl&#039;s three wildly varying accounts of the incident is getting attention, isn&#039;t it--and not the one that would exonerate the Marines.

Furthermore, NOBODY knows for certain what happened there, but everyone seems ready to believe &quot;civilians&quot; from terrorist-infested Haditha rather than United States Marines.  Sorry, I call BS on that.  The story from the Marines&#039; side hasn&#039;t even been made public, much less broadcast across the planet (and among our enemies), so Murtha and everyone else&#039;s pessimistic, negative take is being accepted as gospel.  Murtha should be ashamed, and so should all those who parrot his partisan, addle-brained crap.  It&#039;s GD un-American to not allow them to be innocent until PROVEN guilty, and they haven&#039;t even been &lt;i&gt;indicted&lt;/i&gt;.  Bullshit.  

On another note, Cpl M, glad to see you writing over here.  Nice new look at the old place, too (although I will miss your artistic talent!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I caught that too, saoirse, and I want to know the same thing.  DID she (and they) know about it?  Was her father/grandfather/whatever the one who actually planted the IED?  Funny how only one of the girl&#8217;s three wildly varying accounts of the incident is getting attention, isn&#8217;t it&#8211;and not the one that would exonerate the Marines.</p>
<p>Furthermore, NOBODY knows for certain what happened there, but everyone seems ready to believe &#8220;civilians&#8221; from terrorist-infested Haditha rather than United States Marines.  Sorry, I call BS on that.  The story from the Marines&#8217; side hasn&#8217;t even been made public, much less broadcast across the planet (and among our enemies), so Murtha and everyone else&#8217;s pessimistic, negative take is being accepted as gospel.  Murtha should be ashamed, and so should all those who parrot his partisan, addle-brained crap.  It&#8217;s GD un-American to not allow them to be innocent until PROVEN guilty, and they haven&#8217;t even been <i>indicted</i>.  Bullshit.  </p>
<p>On another note, Cpl M, glad to see you writing over here.  Nice new look at the old place, too (although I will miss your artistic talent!).</p>
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		<title>By: saoirse</title>
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		<dc:creator>saoirse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 19:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks For the response Cpl M. Looking back, I wrote somewhat hurriedly and jumbled. It did pretty much answer.

It seems to me it is easy for people to say; This shouldn&#039;t have happened. Yet the question is; What happened? That&#039;s why I agree with CJ. This needs to be handled by the military. Then brought out if need be. Not the spin put on it, like we see. 

As well, I am a civilian so should probably not be commenting at all. 

Thank You!!



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks For the response Cpl M. Looking back, I wrote somewhat hurriedly and jumbled. It did pretty much answer.</p>
<p>It seems to me it is easy for people to say; This shouldn&#8217;t have happened. Yet the question is; What happened? That&#8217;s why I agree with CJ. This needs to be handled by the military. Then brought out if need be. Not the spin put on it, like we see. </p>
<p>As well, I am a civilian so should probably not be commenting at all. </p>
<p>Thank You!!</p>
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		<title>By: Cpl M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cpl M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>saoirse,

I&#039;m not 100% sure I&#039;m understanding your question, so please let me know if I&#039;m off. I understand that you want to know if killing the people who knew about the IED would be justified. In short, no it wouldn&#039;t. If the people killed were true civilians and not harboring insurgents, then it would be murder. However, if they people killed were not civilians, i.e. if they were members of the insurgency or providing safe haven, then perhaps the deaths would have been justified.

I&#039;m not a military lawyer, nor am I an expert on their rules of engagement since I wasn&#039;t there. This is my opinion, and I could be wrong.

CJ, you want to give your two cents on saoirse&#039;s question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>saoirse,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not 100% sure I&#8217;m understanding your question, so please let me know if I&#8217;m off. I understand that you want to know if killing the people who knew about the IED would be justified. In short, no it wouldn&#8217;t. If the people killed were true civilians and not harboring insurgents, then it would be murder. However, if they people killed were not civilians, i.e. if they were members of the insurgency or providing safe haven, then perhaps the deaths would have been justified.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a military lawyer, nor am I an expert on their rules of engagement since I wasn&#8217;t there. This is my opinion, and I could be wrong.</p>
<p>CJ, you want to give your two cents on saoirse&#8217;s question?</p>
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		<title>By: Platoon Mom Terri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Platoon Mom Terri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 13:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Standing alongside CJ giving you a standing ovation!!</description>
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		<title>By: saoirse</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2006/05/30/murtha-is-still-spineless-still-denying-rights-of-the-accused/#comment-12214</link>
		<dc:creator>saoirse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 12:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murtha not only violated there rights, he has thrown this into the realm of lies and misunderstandings. I watched the news these past few days. It sways back and forth. It went from, &quot;no IED&quot; went off they just snapped. To, yes one went off and a soldier was killed. Murtha is constantly saying, &quot;someone told me this, I heard that.&quot; Isn&#039;t that called gossip? He is just stirring this cesspool of discontent. 

If anyone thinks murtha is doing this because he is loyal to our troops think again. He just uses them as pawns to prove his point. Thats all, he wants to be right. Damn HIM!!! Our troops deserve better and they deserve our loyalty and patience. 

Please note this; I would like some military feedback. 
On CNN, one of the witness&#039;s being interviewed said;
&quot;I was going to get out of bed to go to school. I new the bomb was going to go off, when I heard the truck coming. So I covered my ears.&quot;

A two second sound byte and the people conducting the interview said the girl was confused and didn&#039;t know what she was saying. Yet it was said. She seemed very precise about everything else. Her cousins family were one of the others affected by this. If this young girl new the rest of them would have. 

Is this grounds for justified? For me, if they knew; God help them!! This isn&#039;t a typical war. The enemy won&#039;t fight face to face, hand to hand. These insurgents are weak, shamefull bast***!!! We already new they would use woman and children. Saddahm was like hitler, raising young boys to fight in his regime. Many of these people are brainwashed. Young and old. How far they would take this? To the bitter end. Sorry to go off, and I hope this makes some sense. 

What people are also forgetting;
A Young marine lost his life that day. His family were the only ones that made any sense in any interview. God Bless them!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murtha not only violated there rights, he has thrown this into the realm of lies and misunderstandings. I watched the news these past few days. It sways back and forth. It went from, &#8220;no IED&#8221; went off they just snapped. To, yes one went off and a soldier was killed. Murtha is constantly saying, &#8220;someone told me this, I heard that.&#8221; Isn&#8217;t that called gossip? He is just stirring this cesspool of discontent. </p>
<p>If anyone thinks murtha is doing this because he is loyal to our troops think again. He just uses them as pawns to prove his point. Thats all, he wants to be right. Damn HIM!!! Our troops deserve better and they deserve our loyalty and patience. </p>
<p>Please note this; I would like some military feedback.<br />
On CNN, one of the witness&#8217;s being interviewed said;<br />
&#8220;I was going to get out of bed to go to school. I new the bomb was going to go off, when I heard the truck coming. So I covered my ears.&#8221;</p>
<p>A two second sound byte and the people conducting the interview said the girl was confused and didn&#8217;t know what she was saying. Yet it was said. She seemed very precise about everything else. Her cousins family were one of the others affected by this. If this young girl new the rest of them would have. </p>
<p>Is this grounds for justified? For me, if they knew; God help them!! This isn&#8217;t a typical war. The enemy won&#8217;t fight face to face, hand to hand. These insurgents are weak, shamefull bast***!!! We already new they would use woman and children. Saddahm was like hitler, raising young boys to fight in his regime. Many of these people are brainwashed. Young and old. How far they would take this? To the bitter end. Sorry to go off, and I hope this makes some sense. </p>
<p>What people are also forgetting;<br />
A Young marine lost his life that day. His family were the only ones that made any sense in any interview. God Bless them!!</p>
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		<title>By: Carole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 11:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I should try to be more articulate but what keeps running through my mind is &quot;Murtha is a JERK!!!!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I should try to be more articulate but what keeps running through my mind is &#8220;Murtha is a JERK!!!!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2006/05/30/murtha-is-still-spineless-still-denying-rights-of-the-accused/#comment-12210</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 05:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CPL M,
I totally agree with you. Murtha has already pronounced the soldiers as being guilty even before the investigation is complete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CPL M,<br />
I totally agree with you. Murtha has already pronounced the soldiers as being guilty even before the investigation is complete.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2006/05/30/murtha-is-still-spineless-still-denying-rights-of-the-accused/#comment-12209</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 01:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re absolutely right, CPL M. - Murtha shot his mouth off to the press before any investigation was done.  He couldn&#039;t wait to proclaim guilt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right, CPL M. &#8211; Murtha shot his mouth off to the press before any investigation was done.  He couldn&#8217;t wait to proclaim guilt.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 01:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m giving you a standing ovation right now!!</description>
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