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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a suggestion only, read the introduction (dont need to read the entire book at all - but do recomend it) to The Seven Pillars of Wisdom by T.E. Lawrence (yes, Lawrence of Arabia). His perspective on Arab faith and motivation still stands up today as little has changed since then. It also hints at what must be done to meet today&#039;s challenge, as we seem to have picked up a gauntlet that lay ignored in the dirt - for a very long time.

Some samples: Know thy enemy!
 
[With regard to the Arab; I] found a universal cleanness or hardness of belief, almost mathematical in its limitation and repellent in its unsympathetic form.&quot; &quot;They were a dogmatic people, despising doubt, our modern crown of thorns. They did not understand our metaphysical difficulties, our introspective questionings. They only knew truth and untruth, belief and unbelief, without our hesitating retinue of finer shades.&quot;
 
&quot;The fringes of their deserts were strewn with broken faiths.&quot;
 
&quot;The common base of all the Semitic creeds, winners or losers, was the ever present idea of world-worthlessness. The profound reaction from matter lead them to preach bareness, renunciation, poverty; and the atmosphere of this invention stifled the minds of the desert pitilessly.&quot;
 
&quot;There was no human effort, no fecundity in nature; just the heaven above and the unspotted earth beneath. There unconsciously he came near God. God was to him not anthropomorphic, not tangible, not moral nor ethical, not concerned with the world or with him, not natural.&quot;
 
&quot;The Bedouin could not look for God within him; he was sure that he was within God. He could not conceive anything which was or was not God.&quot;
 
&quot;With the sorrow of living so great, the sorrow of punishment had to be pitiless. We lived for the day and died for it.&quot;
 
&quot;As time went by our need to fight for the ideal increased to an unquestioning possession, riding with spur and rein over our doubts. Willy-nilly it became a faith. We had sold ourselves into its slavery, manacled ourselves together in its chain-gang, bowed ourselves to serve its holiness with all our good and ill content. The mentality of ordinary human slaves is terrible - they have lost the world - and we had surrendered, not body alone, but soul to the overmastering greed of victory. By our own act we were drained of morality, of volition, of responsibility, like dead leaves in the wind.&quot;
 
&quot;We lived always in the stretch or sag of nerves, either on the crest or in the trough of waves of feeling. this impotency was bitter upon us, and made us live only for the seen horizon, reckless what spite we inflicted or endured, since physical sensation showed itself meanly transient. Gust of cruelty, perversions, lusts ran lightly over the surface without troubling us; for the moral laws which had seemed to hedge about silly accidents must be yet fainter words.&quot;
 
I would respectfully suggest, every single High School Student in the Western World be required to read at least the introduction to this book.  History is not repeating itself. History is simply challenging us to deal with problems long forgotten and now re-awakened.
 
The text of &#039;The Seven Pillars of Wisdom&#039; is available electronically at: 
http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/l/lawrence/te/seven/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a suggestion only, read the introduction (dont need to read the entire book at all &#8211; but do recomend it) to The Seven Pillars of Wisdom by T.E. Lawrence (yes, Lawrence of Arabia). His perspective on Arab faith and motivation still stands up today as little has changed since then. It also hints at what must be done to meet today&#8217;s challenge, as we seem to have picked up a gauntlet that lay ignored in the dirt &#8211; for a very long time.</p>
<p>Some samples: Know thy enemy!</p>
<p>[With regard to the Arab; I] found a universal cleanness or hardness of belief, almost mathematical in its limitation and repellent in its unsympathetic form.&#8221; &#8220;They were a dogmatic people, despising doubt, our modern crown of thorns. They did not understand our metaphysical difficulties, our introspective questionings. They only knew truth and untruth, belief and unbelief, without our hesitating retinue of finer shades.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The fringes of their deserts were strewn with broken faiths.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The common base of all the Semitic creeds, winners or losers, was the ever present idea of world-worthlessness. The profound reaction from matter lead them to preach bareness, renunciation, poverty; and the atmosphere of this invention stifled the minds of the desert pitilessly.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;There was no human effort, no fecundity in nature; just the heaven above and the unspotted earth beneath. There unconsciously he came near God. God was to him not anthropomorphic, not tangible, not moral nor ethical, not concerned with the world or with him, not natural.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The Bedouin could not look for God within him; he was sure that he was within God. He could not conceive anything which was or was not God.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;With the sorrow of living so great, the sorrow of punishment had to be pitiless. We lived for the day and died for it.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;As time went by our need to fight for the ideal increased to an unquestioning possession, riding with spur and rein over our doubts. Willy-nilly it became a faith. We had sold ourselves into its slavery, manacled ourselves together in its chain-gang, bowed ourselves to serve its holiness with all our good and ill content. The mentality of ordinary human slaves is terrible &#8211; they have lost the world &#8211; and we had surrendered, not body alone, but soul to the overmastering greed of victory. By our own act we were drained of morality, of volition, of responsibility, like dead leaves in the wind.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;We lived always in the stretch or sag of nerves, either on the crest or in the trough of waves of feeling. this impotency was bitter upon us, and made us live only for the seen horizon, reckless what spite we inflicted or endured, since physical sensation showed itself meanly transient. Gust of cruelty, perversions, lusts ran lightly over the surface without troubling us; for the moral laws which had seemed to hedge about silly accidents must be yet fainter words.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would respectfully suggest, every single High School Student in the Western World be required to read at least the introduction to this book.  History is not repeating itself. History is simply challenging us to deal with problems long forgotten and now re-awakened.</p>
<p>The text of &#8216;The Seven Pillars of Wisdom&#8217; is available electronically at:<br />
<a href="http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/l/lawrence/te/seven/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/l/lawrence/te/seven/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Misplaced Texan! I have seen the commercial on Fox News Channel and it is the Kurds thanking America for their liberation! That is a refreshing change from hearing death to America!! God Bless the Kurds!! Awesome, it is about time someone thanked America!! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Misplaced Texan! I have seen the commercial on Fox News Channel and it is the Kurds thanking America for their liberation! That is a refreshing change from hearing death to America!! God Bless the Kurds!! Awesome, it is about time someone thanked America!! <img src='http://militarygear.com/asp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Linda, CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda, CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Haystack, just read a great article in the Times on Line UK on &quot;Why the Pope was Right&quot;  pretty gutsy considering all the back peddling thats now being done.  It has alot of insight.  If you care to read or share it you can find it at www.timesonline.co.uk

Thank You, for standing up to what you believe and Thank You to all our fine men and women in uniform (Here! Here! Donna)who do the same for all of us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Haystack, just read a great article in the Times on Line UK on &#8220;Why the Pope was Right&#8221;  pretty gutsy considering all the back peddling thats now being done.  It has alot of insight.  If you care to read or share it you can find it at <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk</a></p>
<p>Thank You, for standing up to what you believe and Thank You to all our fine men and women in uniform (Here! Here! Donna)who do the same for all of us!</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how the Pope has now apologized for the comments he made the other day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how the Pope has now apologized for the comments he made the other day.</p>
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		<title>By: Misplaced Texan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misplaced Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This doesn&#039;t have to do with the topic at hand, but I thought I would share the link with you anyway.  At the gym this morning I saw a commercial of Iraqis actually thanking the USA.  The link was http://www.theotheriraq.com/ and I had to come home and check it out.  I couldn&#039;t hear what the commerical was actually saying because I refuse to buy the $22.00 headsets they sell (batteries included - surprising) to listen to the tv sets.  Anyway, I could tell they were saying &quot;THANK YOU&quot; since I am a lip reader.  Ok, so I really am not but those words are ones you know people are saying without actually hearing the words &quot;THANK YOU.&quot; 

Anyway, wasn&#039;t sure if any of y&#039;all seen that link.  Pretty interesting.  I was actually surprised to see it aired on the msm stations!!  LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This doesn&#8217;t have to do with the topic at hand, but I thought I would share the link with you anyway.  At the gym this morning I saw a commercial of Iraqis actually thanking the USA.  The link was <a href="http://www.theotheriraq.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theotheriraq.com/</a> and I had to come home and check it out.  I couldn&#8217;t hear what the commerical was actually saying because I refuse to buy the $22.00 headsets they sell (batteries included &#8211; surprising) to listen to the tv sets.  Anyway, I could tell they were saying &#8220;THANK YOU&#8221; since I am a lip reader.  Ok, so I really am not but those words are ones you know people are saying without actually hearing the words &#8220;THANK YOU.&#8221; </p>
<p>Anyway, wasn&#8217;t sure if any of y&#8217;all seen that link.  Pretty interesting.  I was actually surprised to see it aired on the msm stations!!  LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 02:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haystack,
Thank you for your very insightful post! I don&#039;t ever want to become a dhimmi! What a way to live! When you can&#039;t openly proclaim what you believe but have to be under the thumb of some religion that you don&#039;t espouse or believe in.

Maybe we as christians should hit the streets and protest all the ugly things that are said about us by muslims or other groups. I believe that we have enough confidence in our God to live peaceably with others. The trouble is do they have enough confidence in their God to do the same? I think not and therein lies the problem. 
You have nuts like Ahmindiajad spueing his hatred toward Israel and the west.  He is just itching for a fight so he can bring in Armegadon faster so his Mahdi will come back to rule the world. What a nut but I&#039;m afraid that nut will have to be dealt with sooner or later. 

Anyway, I&#039;m just so thankful that we have our wonderful men and women in uniform who are protecting us night and day and I thank all of you for doing that!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haystack,<br />
Thank you for your very insightful post! I don&#8217;t ever want to become a dhimmi! What a way to live! When you can&#8217;t openly proclaim what you believe but have to be under the thumb of some religion that you don&#8217;t espouse or believe in.</p>
<p>Maybe we as christians should hit the streets and protest all the ugly things that are said about us by muslims or other groups. I believe that we have enough confidence in our God to live peaceably with others. The trouble is do they have enough confidence in their God to do the same? I think not and therein lies the problem.<br />
You have nuts like Ahmindiajad spueing his hatred toward Israel and the west.  He is just itching for a fight so he can bring in Armegadon faster so his Mahdi will come back to rule the world. What a nut but I&#8217;m afraid that nut will have to be dealt with sooner or later. </p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m just so thankful that we have our wonderful men and women in uniform who are protecting us night and day and I thank all of you for doing that!!</p>
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		<title>By: Miriam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miriam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Believe me, Haystack, I didn&#039;t imagine that out points of view were greatly at odds.  For example, I didn&#039;t infer from your post that you were suggesting sending thousands of unarmed children marching into Terhan to oust the Ayatollah like the West tried in the Crusades.  But there are some others out there who might have thought of it.  You&#039;re right, there is no end to the sad things that happened during the Crusades.

If you feel that Christianity is being attacked, your correct, and not just by Muslims.  One of the reasons the MSM kowtows to Islam is that they hate us too and see Islam as an ally to rid them of Christians.  Somehow they don&#039;t realize that Islam would prefer to wipe them out even before they would wipe us out (that is if they weren&#039;t so darn useful).

I put no faith in politicians to reconcile Islam with peace, but there are other forces at work.  You will never hear of those victories in the media, but I hear of them from time to time.  If you want to be pointed in the direction of more heartening stories, have Cpl M give you my e-mail. (This is for Haystack, CJ or Patriot if they want.  Not to leave others out, but I just don&#039;t give out my e-mail to everyone. :) )

It is my belief that, as dark as things might look right now, if we persevere, we will find that none of the lives lost were lost in vain. And believe me, I don&#039;t take the loss of life lightly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believe me, Haystack, I didn&#8217;t imagine that out points of view were greatly at odds.  For example, I didn&#8217;t infer from your post that you were suggesting sending thousands of unarmed children marching into Terhan to oust the Ayatollah like the West tried in the Crusades.  But there are some others out there who might have thought of it.  You&#8217;re right, there is no end to the sad things that happened during the Crusades.</p>
<p>If you feel that Christianity is being attacked, your correct, and not just by Muslims.  One of the reasons the MSM kowtows to Islam is that they hate us too and see Islam as an ally to rid them of Christians.  Somehow they don&#8217;t realize that Islam would prefer to wipe them out even before they would wipe us out (that is if they weren&#8217;t so darn useful).</p>
<p>I put no faith in politicians to reconcile Islam with peace, but there are other forces at work.  You will never hear of those victories in the media, but I hear of them from time to time.  If you want to be pointed in the direction of more heartening stories, have Cpl M give you my e-mail. (This is for Haystack, CJ or Patriot if they want.  Not to leave others out, but I just don&#8217;t give out my e-mail to everyone. <img src='http://militarygear.com/asp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>It is my belief that, as dark as things might look right now, if we persevere, we will find that none of the lives lost were lost in vain. And believe me, I don&#8217;t take the loss of life lightly.</p>
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		<title>By: haystack</title>
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		<dc:creator>haystack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miriam, we completely agree.  Whether Urban II borrowed from Mohammed or something else all together is an aside.  The notion that, during the crusades, lots of very bad things were done on both sides in the name of God, and that Jews were somehow in the middle getting it from both sides makes the whole of this clash then AND now all the more sad.

We find ourselves fighting and dying on the basis of belief...religious belief.

While we may execute wars from political perspectives, in the end those that fight and die do so with a faith and belief that theirs is the righteous cause.  I happen to agree, and as a Christian (like so many of our young men and women in uniform fighting and dying today in our stead) I believe my faith is being challenged by an opposing religion that would see me dead before they would accept a coexistence.

This can not stand.  Until the politicians figure out how to enable coexistence, the soldiers will continue to fight and die - from both sides.  The ultimate sadness continues, like with the crusades, to be in the loss of life over an idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miriam, we completely agree.  Whether Urban II borrowed from Mohammed or something else all together is an aside.  The notion that, during the crusades, lots of very bad things were done on both sides in the name of God, and that Jews were somehow in the middle getting it from both sides makes the whole of this clash then AND now all the more sad.</p>
<p>We find ourselves fighting and dying on the basis of belief&#8230;religious belief.</p>
<p>While we may execute wars from political perspectives, in the end those that fight and die do so with a faith and belief that theirs is the righteous cause.  I happen to agree, and as a Christian (like so many of our young men and women in uniform fighting and dying today in our stead) I believe my faith is being challenged by an opposing religion that would see me dead before they would accept a coexistence.</p>
<p>This can not stand.  Until the politicians figure out how to enable coexistence, the soldiers will continue to fight and die &#8211; from both sides.  The ultimate sadness continues, like with the crusades, to be in the loss of life over an idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Miriam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miriam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe I understand your feelings, Sir Haystack, but there are a few things Wikipedia doesn&#039;t tell you.

The Crusades were called by and fought during a time when the official Church was teaching and practacing the same type of political/religeous philosophy that Islam espoueses.  Those ideals aren&#039;t native to Christianity, they were in fact borrowed from Islam.  After all, if you have 7 different ways of interpreting the SAME Bible passage, you can make it say basically whatever you want.  (Incidently, there is only one proper way to interpret any written passage that I know of--with the writer&#039;s intended meaning.)

So, as I said, the Crusades were fought mainly for political reasons on both sides using religion to justify it.  The fact that makes this the most clear, perhaps, is the fact that the Jews (who weren&#039;t even supposed to be involved in the struggle) suffered the most at the hands of both sides.  I really don&#039;t know how many Christians today would consider the Western Crusaders saints or even Christians in some cases.  Probably not many.

It&#039;s not so much that the West is more enlightened today as it is that Christians have had more challenges to our faith and have found that the truth is important.  When you don&#039;t fight error with truth, obviously error wins, like it did during the Crusades.

Yes, Islam is still the same and is still fighting the Crusades.  But to suggest that we go back to Crusader methods is essentialy to abandon the power of truth.  Yes, we must halt the attacks, killings and burnings by main force.  That is what political governments are for, to bring some physical calm (and yes, diplomacy doesn&#039;t work for this).  But the primary struggle is not political, but ideological or (more accurately) spiritual, and can not be forced on anyone to be genuine.

Should the Pope apologize for his very sanguine remarks?  No.  Is the MSM dhimmitized (sp?)?  Very laughably, yes.  They don&#039;t have the courage of their convictions and perhaps admire those who do.  Do I accept dhimmis?  Not on your life.  I have the courage of my convictions in spades due to long practice.  Exactly how many do will be seen, now won&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe I understand your feelings, Sir Haystack, but there are a few things Wikipedia doesn&#8217;t tell you.</p>
<p>The Crusades were called by and fought during a time when the official Church was teaching and practacing the same type of political/religeous philosophy that Islam espoueses.  Those ideals aren&#8217;t native to Christianity, they were in fact borrowed from Islam.  After all, if you have 7 different ways of interpreting the SAME Bible passage, you can make it say basically whatever you want.  (Incidently, there is only one proper way to interpret any written passage that I know of&#8211;with the writer&#8217;s intended meaning.)</p>
<p>So, as I said, the Crusades were fought mainly for political reasons on both sides using religion to justify it.  The fact that makes this the most clear, perhaps, is the fact that the Jews (who weren&#8217;t even supposed to be involved in the struggle) suffered the most at the hands of both sides.  I really don&#8217;t know how many Christians today would consider the Western Crusaders saints or even Christians in some cases.  Probably not many.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not so much that the West is more enlightened today as it is that Christians have had more challenges to our faith and have found that the truth is important.  When you don&#8217;t fight error with truth, obviously error wins, like it did during the Crusades.</p>
<p>Yes, Islam is still the same and is still fighting the Crusades.  But to suggest that we go back to Crusader methods is essentialy to abandon the power of truth.  Yes, we must halt the attacks, killings and burnings by main force.  That is what political governments are for, to bring some physical calm (and yes, diplomacy doesn&#8217;t work for this).  But the primary struggle is not political, but ideological or (more accurately) spiritual, and can not be forced on anyone to be genuine.</p>
<p>Should the Pope apologize for his very sanguine remarks?  No.  Is the MSM dhimmitized (sp?)?  Very laughably, yes.  They don&#8217;t have the courage of their convictions and perhaps admire those who do.  Do I accept dhimmis?  Not on your life.  I have the courage of my convictions in spades due to long practice.  Exactly how many do will be seen, now won&#8217;t it?</p>
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