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		<title>By: tony garcia</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2006/11/10/what-have-we-done/#comment-27342</link>
		<dc:creator>tony garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 18:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan, you essentially made the same point that i did, that is, that one soldiers sentiments in a letter cant possibly reflect the opinions of all the troops in the field. i dont even believe that his letter reflects the opinion of half the soldiers....let alone all of them.

also, you mentioned that one crazed insurgent doesnt represent the iraqi people as a whole. fair enough, but he sure as hell represents ALOT of iraqis...thats for sure! and even if he only represents 10% of iraqis, thats trouble for us because you dont even need that many to make our stay in iraq treacherous. and there is no way in hell you can say that iraq isnt treacherous. in fact, its obvious that its downright scary. i sure as heck wouldnt want to be there. now if you had evidence that its getting better (and there is no way you can possibly have that evidence), that would be a different story.

by the way, i made it clear that i have no problem with the opinions of individual soldiers, but my comment was made towards the military as a whole. in other words, i&#039;m not interested in this idea that &quot;the military&quot; as a whole has only 1 opinion or some general one sided political view and that we as american civilians should consider it when voting. even if that were true, i wouldnt give that opinion the weight i give the opinion of a 4 year old. if the military cant critisize the policies of the commander and chief openly in a letter, then i&#039;m not interested in their criticism of me as a voter in a letter. the voters didnt send troops into iraq, so why should this soldier be pissed at us? 

i guess my main problem is with rusty humphries himself. what is he trying to tell us by pubicizing this letter? whats his point? is this letter supposed to make us feel bad for voting the way we did? and to boot, the letter is silly, mean, outrageous and juvenile. i mean, more than half of this country is stupid for voting democrat while this soldier is so damn smart? give me a break.

in closing let me say this...when bush decided to take this country to war, it was well understood that he was taking a huge risk for his presidency. risk inherently means that there is a chance of failure. all of you war supporters KNEW that from the beginning. if bush was successful, it was understood that repubs would have control of our government for at least a generation. democrats were the scourge of the country at the time. we were vanquished and many of the countrys&#039; best democrats cowered under the bush presidency. most didnt even challenge the president on iraq. i can still remember bush on that aircraft carrier at the pinnacle of his victory and i remember the euphoria most republicans were feeling. i know...it was very intoxicating, wasnt it? well, that risk went bust and we democrats and liberals are not to blame. why you guys are so reluctant to blame big bad bush for this debacle goes over my head. i&#039;m not going to spout off with the &#039;i told you so&#039;s&#039;......but maybe you guys will be more humble in the future with concern to foreign policy and not so full of hubris. but this war? its lost and everybody knows it. so please, let our boys come home instead of keeping them there just so you can say that you arent &quot;cutting and running.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, you essentially made the same point that i did, that is, that one soldiers sentiments in a letter cant possibly reflect the opinions of all the troops in the field. i dont even believe that his letter reflects the opinion of half the soldiers&#8230;.let alone all of them.</p>
<p>also, you mentioned that one crazed insurgent doesnt represent the iraqi people as a whole. fair enough, but he sure as hell represents ALOT of iraqis&#8230;thats for sure! and even if he only represents 10% of iraqis, thats trouble for us because you dont even need that many to make our stay in iraq treacherous. and there is no way in hell you can say that iraq isnt treacherous. in fact, its obvious that its downright scary. i sure as heck wouldnt want to be there. now if you had evidence that its getting better (and there is no way you can possibly have that evidence), that would be a different story.</p>
<p>by the way, i made it clear that i have no problem with the opinions of individual soldiers, but my comment was made towards the military as a whole. in other words, i&#8217;m not interested in this idea that &#8220;the military&#8221; as a whole has only 1 opinion or some general one sided political view and that we as american civilians should consider it when voting. even if that were true, i wouldnt give that opinion the weight i give the opinion of a 4 year old. if the military cant critisize the policies of the commander and chief openly in a letter, then i&#8217;m not interested in their criticism of me as a voter in a letter. the voters didnt send troops into iraq, so why should this soldier be pissed at us? </p>
<p>i guess my main problem is with rusty humphries himself. what is he trying to tell us by pubicizing this letter? whats his point? is this letter supposed to make us feel bad for voting the way we did? and to boot, the letter is silly, mean, outrageous and juvenile. i mean, more than half of this country is stupid for voting democrat while this soldier is so damn smart? give me a break.</p>
<p>in closing let me say this&#8230;when bush decided to take this country to war, it was well understood that he was taking a huge risk for his presidency. risk inherently means that there is a chance of failure. all of you war supporters KNEW that from the beginning. if bush was successful, it was understood that repubs would have control of our government for at least a generation. democrats were the scourge of the country at the time. we were vanquished and many of the countrys&#8217; best democrats cowered under the bush presidency. most didnt even challenge the president on iraq. i can still remember bush on that aircraft carrier at the pinnacle of his victory and i remember the euphoria most republicans were feeling. i know&#8230;it was very intoxicating, wasnt it? well, that risk went bust and we democrats and liberals are not to blame. why you guys are so reluctant to blame big bad bush for this debacle goes over my head. i&#8217;m not going to spout off with the &#8216;i told you so&#8217;s'&#8230;&#8230;but maybe you guys will be more humble in the future with concern to foreign policy and not so full of hubris. but this war? its lost and everybody knows it. so please, let our boys come home instead of keeping them there just so you can say that you arent &#8220;cutting and running.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan R.</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2006/11/10/what-have-we-done/#comment-26788</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t disagree with you on that point becasue I am no different. I may be pro iraq war, and against secular extremism, but I am pro open border, pro-abortion, pro-gay mariage, and want a better environmental care policy. Just to point out! Later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t disagree with you on that point becasue I am no different. I may be pro iraq war, and against secular extremism, but I am pro open border, pro-abortion, pro-gay mariage, and want a better environmental care policy. Just to point out! Later.</p>
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		<title>By: Patriot</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2006/11/10/what-have-we-done/#comment-26728</link>
		<dc:creator>Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony, CJ and I have criticized the President quite a bit...when he&#039;s made mistakes (ahem, education &amp; immigration).  I&#039;m not afraid to speak my opinion of my President&#039;s policies, military or not.  I didn&#039;t give away that right when I signed up.  I cannot, however, be disrespectful to my commander in chief.  Disagreement &lt;del datetime=&quot;2006-11-29T04:46:20+00:00&quot;&gt;equals &lt;/del&gt;disrespect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony, CJ and I have criticized the President quite a bit&#8230;when he&#8217;s made mistakes (ahem, education &#038; immigration).  I&#8217;m not afraid to speak my opinion of my President&#8217;s policies, military or not.  I didn&#8217;t give away that right when I signed up.  I cannot, however, be disrespectful to my commander in chief.  Disagreement <del datetime="2006-11-29T04:46:20+00:00">equals </del>disrespect.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan R.</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2006/11/10/what-have-we-done/#comment-26727</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well,
If you don&#039;t care so much about what the military thinks why did you choose to reply to this soldier or any of the people who are debating on this blogsphere. I mean all do respect Tony, but I don&#039;t think one soldier&#039;s opinion  in anyway represents the armed forces opinion as a whole just like how I think a crazed insurgent with bombs doesn&#039;t represent the Iraq as a whole ,and I only say that becasue I kinda get the judgement that you think this from your last reply. Afterall, just like when I was rebuttling some dummy at my college who called my ROTC instructor a recruiter, and this started backing down he said he was kidding then I told him that he wasn&#039;t becasue you wouldn&#039;t be saying that unless you believe it to some extent. Well to me the same goes for you.I think you do care or are somewhat affected by this entry in the soldier&#039;s perspective site, otherwise why would you tke the time and reply to the soldier&#039;s letter and the people blogging here. Unless you don&#039;t care I suggest you start acting like it and let me discuss this topic and this soldier&#039;s opinion with somebody who does care!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well,<br />
If you don&#8217;t care so much about what the military thinks why did you choose to reply to this soldier or any of the people who are debating on this blogsphere. I mean all do respect Tony, but I don&#8217;t think one soldier&#8217;s opinion  in anyway represents the armed forces opinion as a whole just like how I think a crazed insurgent with bombs doesn&#8217;t represent the Iraq as a whole ,and I only say that becasue I kinda get the judgement that you think this from your last reply. Afterall, just like when I was rebuttling some dummy at my college who called my ROTC instructor a recruiter, and this started backing down he said he was kidding then I told him that he wasn&#8217;t becasue you wouldn&#8217;t be saying that unless you believe it to some extent. Well to me the same goes for you.I think you do care or are somewhat affected by this entry in the soldier&#8217;s perspective site, otherwise why would you tke the time and reply to the soldier&#8217;s letter and the people blogging here. Unless you don&#8217;t care I suggest you start acting like it and let me discuss this topic and this soldier&#8217;s opinion with somebody who does care!</p>
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		<title>By: tony garcia</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2006/11/10/what-have-we-done/#comment-26431</link>
		<dc:creator>tony garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yea, well i did gather that the military isnt actually telling us how we should vote, but i&#039;m not interested in their opinion one way or the other. of course i do agree with their right to speak their opinions. but if the military doesnt even have the right to express opinions contrary to their own leadership, why should i as a private citizen care what they think of my vote specifically? i&#039;ll take their opinion seriously when they can critisize the president in the same way they critisize the electorate. 

also, why should i believe that soldiers in iraq overwhelmingly disagree with the election results? i&#039;m not saying that rusty humphries is a liar, but he&#039;s a very strong partisan and was quite bitter after the election. this letter sounded EXACTLY like his rant on the night of the election. from my experience, soldiers generally remain very apolitical throughout their military service. the exception to this rule can be found in the senior levels of the officer corps. but for the most part, in my 6  years in the army i cant even remember any serious political discussions. besides, soldiers in iraq have a whole lot more to worry about than the mid-term elections. that IED around the corner doesnt give a darn about who just won an election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea, well i did gather that the military isnt actually telling us how we should vote, but i&#8217;m not interested in their opinion one way or the other. of course i do agree with their right to speak their opinions. but if the military doesnt even have the right to express opinions contrary to their own leadership, why should i as a private citizen care what they think of my vote specifically? i&#8217;ll take their opinion seriously when they can critisize the president in the same way they critisize the electorate. </p>
<p>also, why should i believe that soldiers in iraq overwhelmingly disagree with the election results? i&#8217;m not saying that rusty humphries is a liar, but he&#8217;s a very strong partisan and was quite bitter after the election. this letter sounded EXACTLY like his rant on the night of the election. from my experience, soldiers generally remain very apolitical throughout their military service. the exception to this rule can be found in the senior levels of the officer corps. but for the most part, in my 6  years in the army i cant even remember any serious political discussions. besides, soldiers in iraq have a whole lot more to worry about than the mid-term elections. that IED around the corner doesnt give a darn about who just won an election.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan R.</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2006/11/10/what-have-we-done/#comment-26424</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 06:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree tony
that nobody should call anyone a backstabber for voting or how they voted or who they voted for. This is why we came to america. Sorry doug and sue I left for a while because I was busy studying for my college midterms (I am doing great though!). I also stayed out for a while because it looked like you two were getting a little personal. Oh and tony ,actually as much as I agree that you should not have soldiers telling people how to vote, however this soldier is not telling people how to vote or who to vote for. He is in fact telling people that he disagrees with them and is saying that he and all the other troops in iraq are upset about the results. Afterall there is no crime in being a part of the minority,even though it does fell terrible, it kinda makes you stronger in some ways!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree tony<br />
that nobody should call anyone a backstabber for voting or how they voted or who they voted for. This is why we came to america. Sorry doug and sue I left for a while because I was busy studying for my college midterms (I am doing great though!). I also stayed out for a while because it looked like you two were getting a little personal. Oh and tony ,actually as much as I agree that you should not have soldiers telling people how to vote, however this soldier is not telling people how to vote or who to vote for. He is in fact telling people that he disagrees with them and is saying that he and all the other troops in iraq are upset about the results. Afterall there is no crime in being a part of the minority,even though it does fell terrible, it kinda makes you stronger in some ways!</p>
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		<title>By: tony garcia</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2006/11/10/what-have-we-done/#comment-26336</link>
		<dc:creator>tony garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 20:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow! judging by some comments in here, is it even legal in the minds of bush supporters to have a view contrary to conventional republican/conservative beliefs? are those of us opposed to this war based on sound reasoning and the obvious horrible results just flat-out unamerican? liberal media brainwashing....are you kidding me?

furthermore, i resent the implication that i&#039;ve stabbed the military in the back simply because i dont vote the way THEY want me to!! thats absurd. the military have absolutely no right to excoriate the electorate and none of us should vote based on what the military would prefer. when i was in the army, i sure as hell didnt like reagan. but who was i to tell the american public that they were idiots for electing him? perhaps the military rank and file should be discussing the 400 disabled vets who raised hell last year at a congressional hearing where republican legislators such as steve buyer R-indiana were roasted and jeered for submitting barely enough money for the 2006  budget for returning servicemembers from iraq and afghanistan with horrific injuries.

the most amazing thing about all of this dem/liberal bashing is that this whole situation has deterioriated without a single democrat in any real position of power in our national government....but somehow they are to blame. i knew this would happen and predicted it. if this war was a success, bush is a hero and the republicans hold power for a generation. but if the war turned out to be a disaster (and it is), its all the liberals fault for stabbing the troops in the back. LOL...can&#039;t win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow! judging by some comments in here, is it even legal in the minds of bush supporters to have a view contrary to conventional republican/conservative beliefs? are those of us opposed to this war based on sound reasoning and the obvious horrible results just flat-out unamerican? liberal media brainwashing&#8230;.are you kidding me?</p>
<p>furthermore, i resent the implication that i&#8217;ve stabbed the military in the back simply because i dont vote the way THEY want me to!! thats absurd. the military have absolutely no right to excoriate the electorate and none of us should vote based on what the military would prefer. when i was in the army, i sure as hell didnt like reagan. but who was i to tell the american public that they were idiots for electing him? perhaps the military rank and file should be discussing the 400 disabled vets who raised hell last year at a congressional hearing where republican legislators such as steve buyer R-indiana were roasted and jeered for submitting barely enough money for the 2006  budget for returning servicemembers from iraq and afghanistan with horrific injuries.</p>
<p>the most amazing thing about all of this dem/liberal bashing is that this whole situation has deterioriated without a single democrat in any real position of power in our national government&#8230;.but somehow they are to blame. i knew this would happen and predicted it. if this war was a success, bush is a hero and the republicans hold power for a generation. but if the war turned out to be a disaster (and it is), its all the liberals fault for stabbing the troops in the back. LOL&#8230;can&#8217;t win.</p>
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		<title>By: sue</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2006/11/10/what-have-we-done/#comment-25937</link>
		<dc:creator>sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 13:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh yes doug, thats a wonderful proof of Bush&#039;s not going over seas!!  Wow, I&#039;m so impressed by the lack of id on that piece of paper!!!  Get real.  Having been in the military, you are well aware of the mistakes that are made in triplicate no less on paperwork. (if indeed that is &quot;his&quot; paperwork.)  I believe the Army actually has a term for it.  I believe it&#039;s called SNAFU, or FUBAR!!!  But then again, that isn&#039;t limited to the military branch of our Government.  Doug face it, you are not open to anything that doesn&#039;t coincide with your views and your thorough brainwashing by the mass liberal media.  Your failure to recognize political propaganda shows an insipid knowlege of what is actually going on around you.  The &quot;news&quot; is no longer news.  You are being spoonfed exactly what the Left Wing wants you to hear.  And those of your ilk always say that Fox is the bad guy.  And that is most typical, and shows your true colors.  You seem to be a kin to the dreaded brick barn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh yes doug, thats a wonderful proof of Bush&#8217;s not going over seas!!  Wow, I&#8217;m so impressed by the lack of id on that piece of paper!!!  Get real.  Having been in the military, you are well aware of the mistakes that are made in triplicate no less on paperwork. (if indeed that is &#8220;his&#8221; paperwork.)  I believe the Army actually has a term for it.  I believe it&#8217;s called SNAFU, or FUBAR!!!  But then again, that isn&#8217;t limited to the military branch of our Government.  Doug face it, you are not open to anything that doesn&#8217;t coincide with your views and your thorough brainwashing by the mass liberal media.  Your failure to recognize political propaganda shows an insipid knowlege of what is actually going on around you.  The &#8220;news&#8221; is no longer news.  You are being spoonfed exactly what the Left Wing wants you to hear.  And those of your ilk always say that Fox is the bad guy.  And that is most typical, and shows your true colors.  You seem to be a kin to the dreaded brick barn.</p>
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		<title>By: DougS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DougS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d also like Sue to point out the &quot;disrespectful&quot; things I&#039;ve said about the military.  Is she talking about my criticism of the policy that was, last I checked, the creation of the civilian leadership?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d also like Sue to point out the &#8220;disrespectful&#8221; things I&#8217;ve said about the military.  Is she talking about my criticism of the policy that was, last I checked, the creation of the civilian leadership?</p>
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		<title>By: DougS</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2006/11/10/what-have-we-done/#comment-25812</link>
		<dc:creator>DougS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t disagree with Roosevelt trying to get us into the war, and he was extending all the aid to the British he legally could.  There&#039;s also no doubt that war was more popular than this one, or the Korean War for that matter.  The media reflects the general view of the time, it does not create it.  If the coverage was an invention or a conspiracy, then Fox News and the Washington Times should be having dramatically different coverage than everyone else.  

Actually, on Bush&#039;s enlistment papers he checked the box that said &quot;do not volunteer for overseas&quot;.  You can see the document here:  http://www.takebackthemedia.com/images/donotbush.gif</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with Roosevelt trying to get us into the war, and he was extending all the aid to the British he legally could.  There&#8217;s also no doubt that war was more popular than this one, or the Korean War for that matter.  The media reflects the general view of the time, it does not create it.  If the coverage was an invention or a conspiracy, then Fox News and the Washington Times should be having dramatically different coverage than everyone else.  </p>
<p>Actually, on Bush&#8217;s enlistment papers he checked the box that said &#8220;do not volunteer for overseas&#8221;.  You can see the document here:  <a href="http://www.takebackthemedia.com/images/donotbush.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.takebackthemedia.com/images/donotbush.gif</a></p>
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