Comments on: The Charges http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/03/30/the-charges/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-charges The Web’s Leading Military Blog Since 2004 Wed, 23 May 2012 02:12:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: ASP's 2008 Year In Review « A Soldier's Perspective http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/03/30/the-charges/#comment-57423 ASP's 2008 Year In Review « A Soldier's Perspective Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:06:46 +0000 http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/03/30/the-charges/#comment-57423 [...] office in the Pentagon for me to shut down the site. I followed up this demand with some "proof" that I was in a lot of trouble. Marcus assisted me with the plot by adding to the story. Many of you fell for it!! Not all of you [...] [...] office in the Pentagon for me to shut down the site. I followed up this demand with some "proof" that I was in a lot of trouble. Marcus assisted me with the plot by adding to the story. Many of you fell for it!! Not all of you [...]

]]> By: No April Fool This Year « A Soldier's Perspective http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/03/30/the-charges/#comment-57417 No April Fool This Year « A Soldier's Perspective Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:00:17 +0000 http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/03/30/the-charges/#comment-57417 [...] http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2008/03/30/the-charges/ [...] [...] http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2008/03/30/the-charges/ [...]

]]> By: Subsunk http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/03/30/the-charges/#comment-40780 Subsunk Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:50:22 +0000 http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/03/30/the-charges/#comment-40780 What airhead would sign his name to that memo? Your CO or the Army needs my size 11 boot in their ass. Good Lord, how dumb are the PAOs and bean counters in my military? You keep doing what you are doing CJ. Let me know what Congressman I can write to blaspheme against stupidity wherever it is found. Press on, Young Man. Subsunk What airhead would sign his name to that memo? Your CO or the Army needs my size 11 boot in their ass. Good Lord, how dumb are the PAOs and bean counters in my military?

You keep doing what you are doing CJ. Let me know what Congressman I can write to blaspheme against stupidity wherever it is found.

Press on, Young Man.

Subsunk

]]> By: robert stokely http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/03/30/the-charges/#comment-40771 robert stokely Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:59:48 +0000 http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/03/30/the-charges/#comment-40771 You have my total support in your journalistic endeavors and I am proud to be a reader and fan of your journalistic talent. HOAHHHHHHH! And thanks for highlighting my son's honorable service and loyalty to the country he loved, served and died for! proud dad SGT Mike Stokely KIA 16 AUG 05 near Yusufiyah Iraq E 108 CAV 48th BCT GAARNG You have my total support in your journalistic endeavors and I am proud to be a reader and fan of your journalistic talent. HOAHHHHHHH!

And thanks for highlighting my son’s honorable service and loyalty to the country he loved, served and died for!

proud dad SGT Mike Stokely
KIA 16 AUG 05 near Yusufiyah Iraq
E 108 CAV 48th BCT GAARNG

]]> By: Edward Domain http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/03/30/the-charges/#comment-40750 Edward Domain Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:09:48 +0000 http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/03/30/the-charges/#comment-40750 <b><i>Before I get started, let me state that I am no longer blogging. Instead, ASP is now an online eZine and write articles in a journalistic capacity.</i></b> BRILLIANT!!!!! hahahahaha LOVE it- Go eZine go!!!! Just thank God, you know, its not a, um, (snicker), blog anymore. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!! Before I get started, let me state that I am no longer blogging. Instead, ASP is now an online eZine and write articles in a journalistic capacity.

BRILLIANT!!!!! hahahahaha LOVE it- Go eZine go!!!! Just thank God, you know, its not a, um, (snicker), blog anymore.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!!

]]> By: Donna http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/03/30/the-charges/#comment-40738 Donna Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:20:43 +0000 http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/03/30/the-charges/#comment-40738 Well CJ, I'm so glad to see that your site is back up! I came here last night and it wasn't up and that made me so sad. I come here everyday to see what you and Marcus and the others are saying. You haven't done anything wrong and I'm like you, I believe that someone is trying to get promoted or just doesn't like what you say. Just remember that we are all here with you and I am praying that things work out well and that you can keep blogging! :) Well CJ, I’m so glad to see that your site is back up! I came here last night and it wasn’t up and that made me so sad. I come here everyday to see what you and Marcus and the others are saying. You haven’t done anything wrong and I’m like you, I believe that someone is trying to get promoted or just doesn’t like what you say.

Just remember that we are all here with you and I am praying that things work out well and that you can keep blogging! :)

]]> By: Sean Park http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/03/30/the-charges/#comment-40713 Sean Park Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:20:24 +0000 http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/03/30/the-charges/#comment-40713 Don't these peolpe who drew up all these charges know there is a war going on? If they spent a fraction of their energy concentrating on "the War on Terrorism' we just might win some more hearst and minds. These guys are taking us backwards,sidewards,up,down,around-everywhee but forward. I just read a book with a story somewhat like this. Rationality prevailed and the few who wasted so many resources just "moved on" to the next victim. "By a jury of your peers" Don’t these peolpe who drew up all these charges know there is a war going on? If they spent a fraction of their energy concentrating on “the War on Terrorism’ we just might win some more hearst and minds. These guys are taking us backwards,sidewards,up,down,around-everywhee but forward. I just read a book with a story somewhat like this. Rationality prevailed and the few who wasted so many resources just “moved on” to the next victim.

“By a jury of your peers”

]]> By: Grumpy http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/03/30/the-charges/#comment-40704 Grumpy Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:47:36 +0000 http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/03/30/the-charges/#comment-40704 Well, CJ, what's going on? Take a minute, take a long deep breath. Now, I want you to focus on the MOST IMPORTANT THINGS. I figure the largest number of things that can be in this category is 5. This will mean you will be putting some important and even more important things and relationships aside. Not everything can be important. Now this also means in some ways the blog will be put "on hold." This means I get put on hold, but that is not the important thing. The important thing is CJ and his future. You raise a question, "was this written by a lawyer?" I believe the answer for the whole thing is yes. You may even need to think about getting one for yourself. This will be like walking the "point" through a minefield. These charges should be construed as serious, they are against the military historical values. They are both administrative and honor based. The one thing is they have NOT been PROVEN. The administrative issues are something only you can answer. On the honor issues, as I call them, I would just ask them for the specifics as to when, where and what was said/written by CJ Grisham ALONE, which violated which of those specific values. As I look at you, I see the man who is camped at the fork in the road. A friend of mine who was a P.O.W. in Viet Nam, we had a very similar experience. We both had friends, who would say, "We'll wait until things get back to normal again." He would just get quiet, get up and leave. They would start to follow him, I told them, "Go home!" He asked me to come over to his house. When I walked in, he put a mug of great coffee on the table in front of me. He said, "Grumpy, you never said back to normal. Why?" I said to him, "For me, normal is dead, gone. I had to start a brand new life. I just could not afford 'normal'. They want everything back the way it was, I just can't afford it." In some ways, CJ, this is exactly where I see you. I'll respect your choices. CJ, "It's been a good trip!" Grumpy Well, CJ, what’s going on? Take a minute, take a long deep breath. Now, I want you to focus on the MOST IMPORTANT THINGS. I figure the largest number of things that can be in this category is 5. This will mean you will be putting some important and even more important things and relationships aside. Not everything can be important. Now this also means in some ways the blog will be put “on hold.” This means I get put on hold, but that is not the important thing. The important thing is CJ and his future. You raise a question, “was this written by a lawyer?” I believe the answer for the whole thing is yes. You may even need to think about getting one for yourself. This will be like walking the “point” through a minefield. These charges should be construed as serious, they are against the military historical values. They are both administrative and honor based. The one thing is they have NOT been PROVEN. The administrative issues are something only you can answer. On the honor issues, as I call them, I would just ask them for the specifics as to when, where and what was said/written by CJ Grisham ALONE, which violated which of those specific values.

As I look at you, I see the man who is camped at the fork in the road. A friend of mine who was a P.O.W. in Viet Nam, we had a very similar experience. We both had friends, who would say, “We’ll wait until things get back to normal again.” He would just get quiet, get up and leave. They would start to follow him, I told them, “Go home!” He asked me to come over to his house. When I walked in, he put a mug of great coffee on the table in front of me. He said, “Grumpy, you never said back to normal. Why?” I said to him, “For me, normal is dead, gone. I had to start a brand new life. I just could not afford ‘normal’. They want everything back the way it was, I just can’t afford it.” In some ways, CJ, this is exactly where I see you. I’ll respect your choices.

CJ, “It’s been a good trip!”

Grumpy

]]> By: Tom Saunders http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/03/30/the-charges/#comment-40700 Tom Saunders Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:53:15 +0000 http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/03/30/the-charges/#comment-40700 Correction! The reference to the Korean War, and "Stop-Loss" in general, that prompted my comment is found in the movie review of Kyle Smith (para 7) and is not the work of Mr. Folan. Sorry for the mix-up. Correction! The reference to the Korean War, and “Stop-Loss” in general, that prompted my comment is found in the movie review of Kyle Smith (para 7) and is not the work of Mr. Folan. Sorry for the mix-up.

]]> By: Tom Saunders http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/03/30/the-charges/#comment-40699 Tom Saunders Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:44:20 +0000 http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/03/30/the-charges/#comment-40699 Just a slight correction, sort of, for Thomas Folan, and others that seem to think "Stop-Loss" is a new idea. The fact is that that it did occur during the Korean War, but in another guise. Thousands of soldiers, sailors, and marines, WW II veterans, were recalled to active duty to fight in Korea. Ted Williams is probably the best known of them. Jerked back into service when he was arguably at the very peak of a career that brooks no delays, he was incredibly bitter against the U.S. Gov't for the rest of his life. The fact is that male citizen of the U.S. is obligated to eight years of military service. The instant one takes the oath of enlistment that eight years begins, but is not limited to terms of an individual contract, nor must it be continous. Same for "retirees". At twenty you go into the inactive reserves subject to recall of the senior military officer of the branch. at thirty years the recall authority bumps up to the Sec. of the Army, Navy, ect., for the rest of your life. The term "lifer" is actually very accurate. This is really just more of the same but a quicker turnaround and on a greater scale than usual, with the possible exception of Korea. The reason that it was hardly, if at all used, in Vietnam is that 1) the draft was already in place and functioning, and 2) by the time the need was discerned the war was already being critisied enough that, politically, raw recruits were preferrable to stirring old memories of Korea by recalling those who had already returned to civilian life. No less a raw deal, but still "Stop-Loss" is not necessarily uniqe to this fight. Another comparison could be made to the compulsory extention of the "90-day volunteers" at the beginning of the Civil War for the duration. Tom Saunders Just a slight correction, sort of, for Thomas Folan, and others that seem to think “Stop-Loss” is a new idea. The fact is that that it did occur during the Korean War, but in another guise. Thousands of soldiers, sailors, and marines, WW II veterans, were recalled to active duty to fight in Korea. Ted Williams is probably the best known of them. Jerked back into service when he was arguably at the very peak of a career that brooks no delays, he was incredibly bitter against the U.S. Gov’t for the rest of his life.

The fact is that male citizen of the U.S. is obligated to eight years of military service. The instant one takes the oath of enlistment that eight years begins, but is not limited to terms of an individual contract, nor must it be continous. Same for “retirees”. At twenty you go into the inactive reserves subject to recall of the senior military officer of the branch. at thirty years the recall authority bumps up to the Sec. of the Army, Navy, ect., for the rest of your life. The term “lifer” is actually very accurate.

This is really just more of the same but a quicker turnaround and on a greater scale than usual, with the possible exception of Korea. The reason that it was hardly, if at all used, in Vietnam is that 1) the draft was already in place and functioning, and 2) by the time the need was discerned the war was already being critisied enough that, politically, raw recruits were preferrable to stirring old memories of Korea by recalling those who had already returned to civilian life.

No less a raw deal, but still “Stop-Loss” is not necessarily uniqe to this fight.

Another comparison could be made to the compulsory extention of the “90-day volunteers” at the beginning of the Civil War for the duration.

Tom Saunders

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