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All Posts Information October 14 2008
 — By Scott Lee

I was tooling around the internet and checking for some inspiration to write a post, oh boy did I ever find one. This piece I found was on a blog that I never would have thought would allow such lowbrow lack of insight and wholly judgmental holier than thou attitude perpetuated against our soldiers and veterans who have PTSD.

Just because we have a shortage of mental health workers to help our returning soldiers and veterans does not mean we should let just anybody in the doors to help. More damage can be done than good, even if they mean well. Especially if they have the kind of mental prowess and short sightedness such as this “counselor” who wrote this piece that I read.

I try not to wail on people because of who I used to be, but this guy goes on and on…well I will let you read his treatise of ignorance if you want to, but first here are some of his astounding mental feats of “I know I’m right because I said so.”

I see the effects of PTSD on a regular basis and have dealt with it’s effects on people suffering from it for quite a few years. I strongly advocate for, is better health care for our returning Soldiers, whether they have physical injuries that can change their lives, or whether they are suffering from TBI or PTSD.

No, nothing out of order here, even looks as though he might be on a roll to advocate actually, but keep going on.

Something that I have been seeing lately that really alarms me however, is Soldiers suffering from PTSD, committing crimes and then using their mental disorder as an excuse to not be held accountable for the crimes they commit. Unfortunately, that’s occurring more and more and it frightens me that they would be allowed to do so.

Ouch, believe it or not this is his next sentence. I do not see where we “let” or “allow” these crimes be done. Seems to me that the lack of mental health care might be contributing to this, but I doubt that’s what he meant. Read on,

The one thing that I want to stress here, is that just because someone is suffering from PTSD, doesn’t mean that they don’t know the difference between right and wrong and it doesn’t mean that they don’t have control over their behavior. If we allow them to use that as a crutch and an excuse their behavior, then honestly, I don’t see them bettering themselves. Instead, we’re inviting them to stay stuck in that behavior and never taking personal responsibility for their actions. We’re telling them that it’s okay for them to break the law or do bad things, because they have a mental disorder. That’s just not acceptable. When we allow it to become acceptable, then we’re opening the door for thousands of Americans from Soldiers to a crime victim, to do whatever they please and to use the excuse that they’re suffering from PTSD.

Well, I cannot read this anymore, so if you want to see what this guy who calls himself a counselor says, the link is here.

If you would rather skip his bull shit and get straight to my comment to his article then read on, it is kind of long just letting you know, but it goes by real fast.

Just because you work around people who have PTSD does not mean you understand the nature of PTSD, this shows by the ignorance of your words and insensitivity to the plight of the walking wounded. Obviously you place yourself in a position of moral superiority over the “less fortunate ones”.

Now to further the argument of your complete ignorance on an understanding of PTSD, let me point to your sentence,

The one thing that I want to stress here, is that just because someone is suffering from PTSD, doesn’t mean that they don’t know the difference between right and wrong and it doesn’t mean that they don’t have control over their behavior.

I follow your logic and agree with your summary on whether PTSD survivors understand between right and wrong. I counter that in a moment of being triggered from a PTSD stressor, choice becomes overridden by a survival defensive mechanism that takes over the body and engages a fight or flight response.

More ignorance abounds in your comment,

So let’s empower them to get better, instead of helping them to continue to wallow in a pit of self pity and use their PTSD as an excuse for everything they do and everything that happens to them.

So that is what you see when you look at the veterans you are supposed to be helping? This supposes to say that if we wanted to, we could turn off this thing if we just wanted to, that we should be led to see the futility of our holding onto the emotional pain.

I also agree that we should take responsibility for our actions; we should never excuse someone for committing a crime that has PTSD. Without taking responsibility for our actions we will never be able to begin to cope with life and begin to heal; we would remain stuck in the past and possibly commit suicide.

You drew an analogy to the PTSD sufferer and the addict. According to the first step of a 12 step program, an addict has to admit they were powerless over drugs and that their lives had become unmanageable. The first step in recovery for an addict is to admit that you have a problem with drugs that they have power over you that you cannot control yourself when it comes to drugs and alcohol. Through this acceptance of responsibility we can, with help become whole again. Once it was thought that if the alcoholic would just say no then they could get better if they wanted to, it was this thinking that uncontrollable drinking was a matter of moral fortitude that you, sir, use today in your argument. You say you are a counselor? How is it that this is lost on you then?

Let me draw an analogy for you, being a police officer I assume you had to draw your weapon on occasion, was it something that you thought about doing and then made a conscious choice to draw your weapon? Probably most of the time. But I dare say that, once you did so without even thinking and it possibly saved lives. No? Never heard another officer discuss this? This would be the same thing that happens in combat where training takes over, where thinking will get you or your buddies killed. No, this is not PTSD, not at all. PTSD is where the stressful situations of today’s reality get confused with the horrors of reactionary histories of the past and come crashing together where training, trauma and the fight or flight mechanisms intercedes on rational thinking.

Veterans and soldiers should be held accountable for their actions. Do you think that putting someone with PTSD in a prison would be a good idea? The veteran you talked about who was sentenced for 12 years will probably get out of prison, do you think that he will be the better for it? Or rehabilitated? I think that his PTSD will be worse, because prison itself can cause or exasperbate PTSD. I do not know what to do with our soldiers who fought for us that commit crimes, but neither do I think we should throw away the people who fought for our freedom when they become of no more use to us.

Seriously, you have got to be adding to your observations to fit your argument when you say,

I’ve seen counselors provide letters for Soldiers stating that they suffered from PTSD and would not be held accountable for their actions.

This is complete bullshit to think that a counselor, who is not a therapist, would write a letter stating that someone cannot be held accountable for their actions. A counselor would not be qualified to write such a letter for one and if they did then their license should be taken away. You say you saw this? Then you should have reported it, professional ethics would compel you to do so. A master’s level therapist could diagnose PTSD, but only a Phd psychologist or a psychiatrist could write a letter of this magnitude and should only be done in a competency hearing. Holes way through your arguments, quit exaggerating on facts to bolster your arguments.

Do yourself and the soldiers that you help a favor, and consider yourself fortunate that you were not so effected by your service as a police officer and quit looking down on them as less than you because they were impacted in such a way. Look beyond your differences and try and see them for who they really are, mentally wounded, and in need of your care and compassion not your judgment.

(10) Readers Comments

  1. In the USA more police officers kill themselves each year than are killed in the line of duty

    • This is true for our veterans as well, we loose more vets to suicide then we loose in war today, over 60,000 in the last ten years of war.

  2. PTSD Is real and we as soldiers and Marines usually dont even get help. I just went to a friends funeral who I served with in Iraq. He took his own life. First of all. We The American Soldiers are true citizens of the US so if you have never been in Theater. Im talking to you over educated PhD doctors who think you know everything, I suggest you shut your mouth. Most of the times Soldiers dont want to deal with the stupid questions you have to ask. So I support folks with PTSD and I have commited crimes and paid severely. Anyone who would like to meet me Id like to meet you face to face especially you UN-American wanna be Americans with your trophy wives. It just sucks thjat you actually live in the U.S. And you make a profit of our so called sickness. Please move out of our country you doubters and haters are not welcome.

    • Amen, Wanna Be Therapists move away from the Combat PTSD table!

  3. Dear William

    I was reading your blog and my wife asked me if I wrote that. She knows how I feel and you took the words right out of my mouth. I would like to meet them face to face also because one major ass whipping would be coming. I made a silhouette of a soldier kneeling over another soldiers grave and this soldier had a weapon with a mound of dirt and a cross attached to it. I had three police officers show up in my driveway because they thought that it was a real person with a rife. Where I live at there are various religions especially the towel heads. I figure it was one of those SOB’s that called. So the bottom line I totally support you and your feelings. Simper Fi, Ohaah

    • This blog does not belong to William and this article I wrote.

  4. I had a friend in the military. Pre-military he was a great guy. Always fun to hang out with however; after serving his attitude changed into a “demanding respect, self loving ass hole”. At its best narcissism. It was a complete 180 in attitude. Safe to say we’re not friends anymore and because of this I have little respect for the military and it’s effects on Soldiers. As for responsibility for crimes. Its choice. A person can either choose to do right or wrong. Both have consequences either positive or negative. In order to claim mental insanity in a case you’d have to prove you were not conscience or aware. Great example is “Son of Sam”. The guy was so fucked up he’d smile at the jury. He had zero awareness. As for soldiers suffering from ptsd its completely different. ptsd isn’t an excuse to do wrong as the soldiers are conscience of right and wrong. Btw I am a law student ptsd isn’t an excuse. Think that’s what this guy is trying to get at. ***-He’s not saying it’s every soldier suffering with ptsd that is “wallowing in a pit of self pity”. Its the ones who commit crimes and use ptsd as an excuse to get out of their “negligence”. This guy isn’t against military or for. He’s writing an article on the criminal mindset of those who use ptsd as an excuse regardless of whether they suffer from it or not.-*** Your taking this the wrong way and involving your personal feelings.

    • Talk about personal feelings, your first part of your statement is a testament. Look up the latest rulings on PTSD and the rule of law. There is more to guilt than black and white or did you miss that course?

  5. I was really looking forward to reading the whole piece, but it seems the website is unavailable. Is there another location for it?

    • It appears the blog these quotes came from is no longer with us.

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