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		<title>By: S West</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/11/30/close-guantanamo/#comment-47319</link>
		<dc:creator>S West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they are indeed criminals, whether against the US or other peaceful nations of the world, the should be brought to justice.

My proposal:
General population among the 50 states major prisons.

Let them get equal justice.

If they die in general population, justice has been served by those who are committed, even if it is by those who are imprisoned, it would still be by Americans.  

They hate us, we can&quot;t pander to their values, we must remain strong to ours.

If we are to give them habeus, they should get what the African American gets in Compton, a chance to live out their life inb prison.  If not Guantonamo, who cares.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they are indeed criminals, whether against the US or other peaceful nations of the world, the should be brought to justice.</p>
<p>My proposal:<br />
General population among the 50 states major prisons.</p>
<p>Let them get equal justice.</p>
<p>If they die in general population, justice has been served by those who are committed, even if it is by those who are imprisoned, it would still be by Americans.  </p>
<p>They hate us, we can&#8221;t pander to their values, we must remain strong to ours.</p>
<p>If we are to give them habeus, they should get what the African American gets in Compton, a chance to live out their life inb prison.  If not Guantonamo, who cares.</p>
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		<title>By: SFC. K</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/11/30/close-guantanamo/#comment-46959</link>
		<dc:creator>SFC. K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more comment,
Everybody wants to give the terrorist due process.  They are individuals who do not believe in due process just jihad &quot;Holy War&quot;.  Ask the victims of 9/11.  Oh I&#039;m sorry you can&#039;t ask the victims.  Because the terrorist did not give them due process!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more comment,<br />
Everybody wants to give the terrorist due process.  They are individuals who do not believe in due process just jihad &#8220;Holy War&#8221;.  Ask the victims of 9/11.  Oh I&#8217;m sorry you can&#8217;t ask the victims.  Because the terrorist did not give them due process!</p>
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		<title>By: SFC. K</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/11/30/close-guantanamo/#comment-46958</link>
		<dc:creator>SFC. K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most dangerous terrorist in the world are kept at GTMO.  Believe me I was at that shitake [&lt;em&gt;edited by cj&lt;/em&gt;] hole in the world.  While I was there I did not see one prisoner abused, but many guards were placed in situations which caused them harm.  We should have executed the terrorist 7 years ago after we weeded out the bad and the worst and we would not have this problem today.  Yes, I said execute the terrorist!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most dangerous terrorist in the world are kept at GTMO.  Believe me I was at that shitake [<em>edited by cj</em>] hole in the world.  While I was there I did not see one prisoner abused, but many guards were placed in situations which caused them harm.  We should have executed the terrorist 7 years ago after we weeded out the bad and the worst and we would not have this problem today.  Yes, I said execute the terrorist!</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me correct a few mistakes: #

By Mickey on Dec 5, 2008

Sue, Thank you not only for the comments but for standing up myself and many Gold Star Moms. I do know that at least one of those there at GITMO was captured a few days after Jason was killed from a home were the IED was made and placed. He was in a hided wall discovered a day or two later. So I will support keeping them at GITMO for as long as needed. So, yes NY David we do have a mess. But I disagree that it is all the presidents fault. The real fault lies with many Americans that i feel have to much time on their hands. so many want to shout about Human Rights, and many other things like taking GOD out of our schools, gov ect%u2026. But they are the first to back down on what is really right. Many of these people that are on Hold are TERRORIST and will kill us and our families with no questions. ask. Yes, there many be a couple that are there due to being the the wrong place at the wrong time, but so was my son and all the others of our Fallen. Like I said before: God Help Our Country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me correct a few mistakes: #</p>
<p>By Mickey on Dec 5, 2008</p>
<p>Sue, Thank you not only for the comments but for standing up myself and many Gold Star Moms. I do know that at least one of those there at GITMO was captured a few days after Jason was killed from a home were the IED was made and placed. He was in a hided wall discovered a day or two later. So I will support keeping them at GITMO for as long as needed. So, yes NY David we do have a mess. But I disagree that it is all the presidents fault. The real fault lies with many Americans that i feel have to much time on their hands. so many want to shout about Human Rights, and many other things like taking GOD out of our schools, gov ect%u2026. But they are the first to back down on what is really right. Many of these people that are on Hold are TERRORIST and will kill us and our families with no questions. ask. Yes, there many be a couple that are there due to being the the wrong place at the wrong time, but so was my son and all the others of our Fallen. Like I said before: God Help Our Country.</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/11/30/close-guantanamo/#comment-46057</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue, Thank you not only for the comments but for standing up myself and many Gold Star Moms. I do not that at least one of those there at GITMO was captured a few days after Jason was killed from a home were the IED was made and placed.  He was in a hided wall discovered a day or two later.  So I will support keeping them at GITMO for as long as needed.  So, yes NY David we do have a mess.  But I disagree that it is all the presidents fault. The real fault lies with many Americans that i feel have to much time on their hands. so many want to shout about Human Rights, and many other things like taking GOD out of our schools, gov ect.... But they are the first to back down on what is really right. Many of these people that are on Hold are TERRORIST and will not us kill us and our families with no questions.  ask. Yes, there many be a couple that are there due to being the the wrong place at the wrong time, but so was my son and all the others of our Fallen.  Like I said before: God Help Our Country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue, Thank you not only for the comments but for standing up myself and many Gold Star Moms. I do not that at least one of those there at GITMO was captured a few days after Jason was killed from a home were the IED was made and placed.  He was in a hided wall discovered a day or two later.  So I will support keeping them at GITMO for as long as needed.  So, yes NY David we do have a mess.  But I disagree that it is all the presidents fault. The real fault lies with many Americans that i feel have to much time on their hands. so many want to shout about Human Rights, and many other things like taking GOD out of our schools, gov ect&#8230;. But they are the first to back down on what is really right. Many of these people that are on Hold are TERRORIST and will not us kill us and our families with no questions.  ask. Yes, there many be a couple that are there due to being the the wrong place at the wrong time, but so was my son and all the others of our Fallen.  Like I said before: God Help Our Country.</p>
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		<title>By: sue</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you David.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you David.</p>
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		<title>By: NY-David</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/11/30/close-guantanamo/#comment-46053</link>
		<dc:creator>NY-David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just made my hands sore, clapping for Sue&#039;s comments!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just made my hands sore, clapping for Sue&#8217;s comments!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Critical Facts</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/11/30/close-guantanamo/#comment-46052</link>
		<dc:creator>Critical Facts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sue:

Doug pointed out above that NO credible evidence existed to prove allegations of terrorism against 5 Bosnians just released.  Others, too, have been released because there is no credible evidence to support allegations of terrorism.  Your bald-faced assertion, then, that all GTMO detainees are terrorists is not well taken and poorly supported.  

PS.  You need to brush up on your knowledge of habeas.  It was instituted in 1215 and is one of the most enduring legal writs in the world nearly 800 years later.  Your assertion that Americans are not entitled to bring petitions for habeas relief outside of the US is flat out wrong!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sue:</p>
<p>Doug pointed out above that NO credible evidence existed to prove allegations of terrorism against 5 Bosnians just released.  Others, too, have been released because there is no credible evidence to support allegations of terrorism.  Your bald-faced assertion, then, that all GTMO detainees are terrorists is not well taken and poorly supported.  </p>
<p>PS.  You need to brush up on your knowledge of habeas.  It was instituted in 1215 and is one of the most enduring legal writs in the world nearly 800 years later.  Your assertion that Americans are not entitled to bring petitions for habeas relief outside of the US is flat out wrong!</p>
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		<title>By: sue</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/11/30/close-guantanamo/#comment-46048</link>
		<dc:creator>sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My problem with &quot;their&quot; rights David, is that they are terrorists and NOT American citizens and there for do not by birth or any other law deserve or command the same kind of rights as an American citizen.  

We as Americans are not afforded the same rights as the citizens of other countries in their courts around the world, nor are Americans given the right of Habeaus Corpus or anything else for that matter in those countries.  So why should a terrorist who was swept up off the battlefield after killing and maiming Americans, or just before he carried out his objective to do so, be afforded the rights those same Americans gave their lives to secure for our citizens. 

They should have been tried in the Military Courts as Bush wanted them to be but was stopped from doing so.  They are Military combatants who were doing wrong and should be dealt with by the Military.  They do NOT belong in US courts with US laws and US judges and US juries. I agree that if they were wrongfully picked up, send them back.  Only problem with that is that their own countries DON&#039;T want them back.  They know they are no good and don&#039;t want them.

I agree that if we hideously torture the prisoners and I mean really torture them like our people have been tortured around the world, then yes David, we have stooped to their level.  If they are thrown before a Kangaroo court and given a mock trial and taken out back and shot at dawn then yes David we have stooped to their level.  

But kowtowing to their every religious and dietary need, is hardly something I would call violating their rights till we sort out what it is that should be done with them. If we had stooped to their level, these men would all be dead by now. 

I do agree, it IS great to be us.  But it also sucks because everyone in the world loves to point a finger at us and say how bad we are and all the things we do wrong, (Wait, maybe thats the American Media I&#039;m thinking of. . .) but there is never anything about what we do right.  If we had just minded our own business the whole rest of the world would be speaking German or Japanese right now.  But thats not what we are all about. Wise or not, foolish or not, we are Americans and we are all about helping those who can&#039;t help themselves.  That&#039;s why we are in this situation.   

As I said, we are a Nation of inherent good, and despite all those who hate us, we still do the right thing.  It might take us a while to figure out what the right thing is, but we get there, and we correct our mistakes and punish the ones who did wrong.  It just makes it that much harder when there are lawyers who all think they need to be in the spot light and throw monkey wrenches into everything that helps to create boondoggles like we have now. They don&#039;t ALWAYS have other peoples best interests at heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem with &#8220;their&#8221; rights David, is that they are terrorists and NOT American citizens and there for do not by birth or any other law deserve or command the same kind of rights as an American citizen.  </p>
<p>We as Americans are not afforded the same rights as the citizens of other countries in their courts around the world, nor are Americans given the right of Habeaus Corpus or anything else for that matter in those countries.  So why should a terrorist who was swept up off the battlefield after killing and maiming Americans, or just before he carried out his objective to do so, be afforded the rights those same Americans gave their lives to secure for our citizens. </p>
<p>They should have been tried in the Military Courts as Bush wanted them to be but was stopped from doing so.  They are Military combatants who were doing wrong and should be dealt with by the Military.  They do NOT belong in US courts with US laws and US judges and US juries. I agree that if they were wrongfully picked up, send them back.  Only problem with that is that their own countries DON&#8217;T want them back.  They know they are no good and don&#8217;t want them.</p>
<p>I agree that if we hideously torture the prisoners and I mean really torture them like our people have been tortured around the world, then yes David, we have stooped to their level.  If they are thrown before a Kangaroo court and given a mock trial and taken out back and shot at dawn then yes David we have stooped to their level.  </p>
<p>But kowtowing to their every religious and dietary need, is hardly something I would call violating their rights till we sort out what it is that should be done with them. If we had stooped to their level, these men would all be dead by now. </p>
<p>I do agree, it IS great to be us.  But it also sucks because everyone in the world loves to point a finger at us and say how bad we are and all the things we do wrong, (Wait, maybe thats the American Media I&#8217;m thinking of. . .) but there is never anything about what we do right.  If we had just minded our own business the whole rest of the world would be speaking German or Japanese right now.  But thats not what we are all about. Wise or not, foolish or not, we are Americans and we are all about helping those who can&#8217;t help themselves.  That&#8217;s why we are in this situation.   </p>
<p>As I said, we are a Nation of inherent good, and despite all those who hate us, we still do the right thing.  It might take us a while to figure out what the right thing is, but we get there, and we correct our mistakes and punish the ones who did wrong.  It just makes it that much harder when there are lawyers who all think they need to be in the spot light and throw monkey wrenches into everything that helps to create boondoggles like we have now. They don&#8217;t ALWAYS have other peoples best interests at heart.</p>
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		<title>By: NY-David</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2008/11/30/close-guantanamo/#comment-46044</link>
		<dc:creator>NY-David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sue,
My moshed up explaination was an attempt to say that one who has lost a life in battle has no more rights then the rest of us to speak their mind.  Certainly no less.  If I missed the fact that you&#039;re not a Gold Star Mom, then my bad.
You are right, Nick Berg&#039;s killers didn&#039;t concern themselves with his rights before they beheaded him.   The problem is that if we don&#039;t consider someone&#039;s rights, we sink down to their level.  I agree some of these people are filthy, disgusting animals.  If there are guilty, they should be hung by their toenails.  If they are innocent, they should be let go and told to not let the door hit them on the way out.  Perhaps they could also spread the word that when they hear US forces are in the area, they should leave, lest they get caught in the cross fire.
I don&#039;t think they should be arbitrary let go and I do lay this one on the president&#039;s feet.  He chose to let this fester.
You are right, we don live in a confusing tumultous world and yes, they have rights, so we have our mess.  Its not easy being us.  No one ever said it was.  But its pretty damn great.
NY-David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sue,<br />
My moshed up explaination was an attempt to say that one who has lost a life in battle has no more rights then the rest of us to speak their mind.  Certainly no less.  If I missed the fact that you&#8217;re not a Gold Star Mom, then my bad.<br />
You are right, Nick Berg&#8217;s killers didn&#8217;t concern themselves with his rights before they beheaded him.   The problem is that if we don&#8217;t consider someone&#8217;s rights, we sink down to their level.  I agree some of these people are filthy, disgusting animals.  If there are guilty, they should be hung by their toenails.  If they are innocent, they should be let go and told to not let the door hit them on the way out.  Perhaps they could also spread the word that when they hear US forces are in the area, they should leave, lest they get caught in the cross fire.<br />
I don&#8217;t think they should be arbitrary let go and I do lay this one on the president&#8217;s feet.  He chose to let this fester.<br />
You are right, we don live in a confusing tumultous world and yes, they have rights, so we have our mess.  Its not easy being us.  No one ever said it was.  But its pretty damn great.<br />
NY-David</p>
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