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		<title>By: Stephanie Watson</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2009/10/29/fed-up-2/#comment-52832</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry this is happening to you and your family. As a former military brat and army wife I can say first hand that many times civilians have used the UCMJ to their advantage. 

I hope this issue is resolved, and please don&#039;t stop fighting and allow these people to ruin your career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry this is happening to you and your family. As a former military brat and army wife I can say first hand that many times civilians have used the UCMJ to their advantage. </p>
<p>I hope this issue is resolved, and please don&#8217;t stop fighting and allow these people to ruin your career.</p>
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		<title>By: emily</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2009/10/29/fed-up-2/#comment-52754</link>
		<dc:creator>emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pattie,

To answer your q&#039;s real quick before i hit the sack, here goes.

Cj was responsible for the motion..she lied when she said that she didn&#039;t know who it was from.  To follow policy, he gave her a copy of it days in advance for no surprises.
 
Yes, she knew who we were, i can&#039;t say that&#039;s WHY she did it, just that i think that&#039;s why she did.

Yes, at this point they had already contacted the army saying that he was threatening them because he suffered from ptsd(pta pres and principal).  When his commander responded that it&#039;s not his matter, that&#039;s when they took it to garrison who so obviously didn&#039;t.

The pta president and the principal asked the secuirity to be there-just for cj.  we have a woman on the board who came forward a few weeks later who told us all that they had done to try and get cj into trouble.  Notice how they weren&#039;t in any other parents&#039; faces who were much louder than cj.

Yes, it did say uniforms weren&#039;t mandatory until next school year.  we already knew that the day after the first uniform meeting that got so far out of hand.  The point wasn&#039;t to debate uniforms, it was to get parental involvment on the decision making process-which they skipped over when they read the motion.

To be honest, i don&#039;t really want the fight.  I would like right just to make itself right. We are both stressed to the max and would like nothing more for this to go away.  That can&#039;t happen until they stop caling garrison and garrison stops letting them dictate what they should do.  The pTA president was even the one who told them she wanted UCMJ action on Cj.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pattie,</p>
<p>To answer your q&#8217;s real quick before i hit the sack, here goes.</p>
<p>Cj was responsible for the motion..she lied when she said that she didn&#8217;t know who it was from.  To follow policy, he gave her a copy of it days in advance for no surprises.</p>
<p>Yes, she knew who we were, i can&#8217;t say that&#8217;s WHY she did it, just that i think that&#8217;s why she did.</p>
<p>Yes, at this point they had already contacted the army saying that he was threatening them because he suffered from ptsd(pta pres and principal).  When his commander responded that it&#8217;s not his matter, that&#8217;s when they took it to garrison who so obviously didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The pta president and the principal asked the secuirity to be there-just for cj.  we have a woman on the board who came forward a few weeks later who told us all that they had done to try and get cj into trouble.  Notice how they weren&#8217;t in any other parents&#8217; faces who were much louder than cj.</p>
<p>Yes, it did say uniforms weren&#8217;t mandatory until next school year.  we already knew that the day after the first uniform meeting that got so far out of hand.  The point wasn&#8217;t to debate uniforms, it was to get parental involvment on the decision making process-which they skipped over when they read the motion.</p>
<p>To be honest, i don&#8217;t really want the fight.  I would like right just to make itself right. We are both stressed to the max and would like nothing more for this to go away.  That can&#8217;t happen until they stop caling garrison and garrison stops letting them dictate what they should do.  The pTA president was even the one who told them she wanted UCMJ action on Cj.</p>
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		<title>By: Pattie</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2009/10/29/fed-up-2/#comment-52749</link>
		<dc:creator>Pattie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily, as far as the army is concerned you&#039;re not a civilian, take it from an army wife who fought the system in the 6o&#039;s.

As for the meeting - the US and THEM atmosphere was fixed when the non-PTA members were segregated. No wonder they didn&#039;t want press there. That was just wrong on so many levels. 

Watched the videos and wasn&#039;t clear - who was responsible for the motion? Why would an anonymous motion even be entertained? The way she handled it even before CJ spoke up was a big red flag, surely CJ wasn&#039;t the only one to catch that. During the roll call were you waved over because she already knew you? Did I hear a comment that CJ&#039;s commander had already been contacted? Police at a PTA meeting - did I get that right?  If so who called them and why?

All the meeting stuff aside, for these civilians to take it upon themselves to sabotage your career is absolutely REPREHENSIBLE. I&#039;d like to think the Colonel will stand behind you but not holding my breath on that one.

Above all, if you bring the press into this be prepared.  The army won&#039;t like it, that&#039;s for darn sure, and you have to be SO careful what you say to the reporter. (Learned that the hard way too) Even then, both video and letters can, and probably will, be edited, even letters to the editor of your paper.

I think the best thing CJ has going for him is the video which shows he wasn&#039;t acting aggressive. His voice was loud, and he was assertive. The women got their backs up and it escalated.  CJ left. 

Perhaps the PTA wasn&#039;t the proper forum but if thats the case the motion shouldn&#039;t have even been mentioned.  In the end this seemed to be less about the uniforms and more about procedure.

Lastly, I think I heard it said the uniforms weren&#039;t mandatory until next school year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily, as far as the army is concerned you&#8217;re not a civilian, take it from an army wife who fought the system in the 6o&#8217;s.</p>
<p>As for the meeting &#8211; the US and THEM atmosphere was fixed when the non-PTA members were segregated. No wonder they didn&#8217;t want press there. That was just wrong on so many levels. </p>
<p>Watched the videos and wasn&#8217;t clear &#8211; who was responsible for the motion? Why would an anonymous motion even be entertained? The way she handled it even before CJ spoke up was a big red flag, surely CJ wasn&#8217;t the only one to catch that. During the roll call were you waved over because she already knew you? Did I hear a comment that CJ&#8217;s commander had already been contacted? Police at a PTA meeting &#8211; did I get that right?  If so who called them and why?</p>
<p>All the meeting stuff aside, for these civilians to take it upon themselves to sabotage your career is absolutely REPREHENSIBLE. I&#8217;d like to think the Colonel will stand behind you but not holding my breath on that one.</p>
<p>Above all, if you bring the press into this be prepared.  The army won&#8217;t like it, that&#8217;s for darn sure, and you have to be SO careful what you say to the reporter. (Learned that the hard way too) Even then, both video and letters can, and probably will, be edited, even letters to the editor of your paper.</p>
<p>I think the best thing CJ has going for him is the video which shows he wasn&#8217;t acting aggressive. His voice was loud, and he was assertive. The women got their backs up and it escalated.  CJ left. </p>
<p>Perhaps the PTA wasn&#8217;t the proper forum but if thats the case the motion shouldn&#8217;t have even been mentioned.  In the end this seemed to be less about the uniforms and more about procedure.</p>
<p>Lastly, I think I heard it said the uniforms weren&#8217;t mandatory until next school year.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Dooling</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2009/10/29/fed-up-2/#comment-52738</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Dooling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t the Constitution you have been defending guarantee your right to face your accusers? In the civilian workplace, at least, any action that goes into your personnel jacket must identify the originator of the action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t the Constitution you have been defending guarantee your right to face your accusers? In the civilian workplace, at least, any action that goes into your personnel jacket must identify the originator of the action.</p>
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		<title>By: kris</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2009/10/29/fed-up-2/#comment-52734</link>
		<dc:creator>kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was in the Navy, some jackass tried to pursue me for scratching his car. He never got anywhere in the Courts (because he was never able to prove I scratched his damn car) so he got the bright idea to send a letter accusing me of all sorts to my CO.

The jackass&#039;s letter was forwarded to Base Legal. I got called in and the JAG showed it to me.

JAG then showed me the letter he drafted in response to the jackass telling him to stuff it. That just because I was serving in the US Navy didn&#039;t mean that I&#039;d given up my Constitutional right to Due Process and to not write to my CO again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in the Navy, some jackass tried to pursue me for scratching his car. He never got anywhere in the Courts (because he was never able to prove I scratched his damn car) so he got the bright idea to send a letter accusing me of all sorts to my CO.</p>
<p>The jackass&#8217;s letter was forwarded to Base Legal. I got called in and the JAG showed it to me.</p>
<p>JAG then showed me the letter he drafted in response to the jackass telling him to stuff it. That just because I was serving in the US Navy didn&#8217;t mean that I&#8217;d given up my Constitutional right to Due Process and to not write to my CO again.</p>
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		<title>By: Hagenmary</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2009/10/29/fed-up-2/#comment-52733</link>
		<dc:creator>Hagenmary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohman, ohman, oh MAN!  Unbelievable...they went running to the Army when you wouldn&#039;t back down! The power-mad demigods of school boards &amp; PTA just aren&#039;t prepared for a battle; most people are sheep, and that&#039;s what they count on to continue their reign of terror. Strong words? Yes, but look what&#039;s happening all over the country. Little people with little minds and smaller souls have grabbed the power &amp; twisted it to serve their own agendas. 
 GO VIRAL, go to the press, go all the way to the top!  I promise you that you will have support, not just from the downtrodden masses(parents) but from the Army.  Too many Americans have been pushed around for too long. It may seem like a &quot;little, small-town matter&quot; but this is where it starts. And I&#039;ll be here with you until it ends. 
DON&#039;T GIVE UP THE GOOD FIGHT! Show the kids that the good guys take the hits but don&#039;t back down!   HOOAH!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohman, ohman, oh MAN!  Unbelievable&#8230;they went running to the Army when you wouldn&#8217;t back down! The power-mad demigods of school boards &amp; PTA just aren&#8217;t prepared for a battle; most people are sheep, and that&#8217;s what they count on to continue their reign of terror. Strong words? Yes, but look what&#8217;s happening all over the country. Little people with little minds and smaller souls have grabbed the power &amp; twisted it to serve their own agendas.<br />
 GO VIRAL, go to the press, go all the way to the top!  I promise you that you will have support, not just from the downtrodden masses(parents) but from the Army.  Too many Americans have been pushed around for too long. It may seem like a &#8220;little, small-town matter&#8221; but this is where it starts. And I&#8217;ll be here with you until it ends.<br />
DON&#8217;T GIVE UP THE GOOD FIGHT! Show the kids that the good guys take the hits but don&#8217;t back down!   HOOAH!</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2009/10/29/fed-up-2/#comment-52730</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 04:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This can go viral whenever you want it to! We&#039;re fed up and I&#039;m not taking it anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This can go viral whenever you want it to! We&#8217;re fed up and I&#8217;m not taking it anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: brat</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2009/10/29/fed-up-2/#comment-52725</link>
		<dc:creator>brat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching this one closely, and ready to go viral when you say.

Meanwhile, keeping you all in my prayers as you prove to bullies that bullying will NOT work..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching this one closely, and ready to go viral when you say.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, keeping you all in my prayers as you prove to bullies that bullying will NOT work..</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Taylor</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2009/10/29/fed-up-2/#comment-52718</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for standing up for your rights.  I am pleased that there is someone unafraid to exercise yours and our inalienable rights.  Good for you, and I hope you continue doing so.  From what it sounds like, you were notified about the &quot;considering a letter of reprimand&quot; merely for formality purposes.  You will not get a reprimand when you have committed no crime.  You will, however, continue to receive this harassment until someone in the Army chain of command grabs sack and puts an end to the nonsense.  From what I understand, nonsense it is, and any commander who will listen to the JAG department will handle it.  What we are seeing is a failure - or a delay - of the command to do precisely that.

I respectfully request that you maintain your position and stand for what you know is right.  

Don&#039;t tread on me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for standing up for your rights.  I am pleased that there is someone unafraid to exercise yours and our inalienable rights.  Good for you, and I hope you continue doing so.  From what it sounds like, you were notified about the &#8220;considering a letter of reprimand&#8221; merely for formality purposes.  You will not get a reprimand when you have committed no crime.  You will, however, continue to receive this harassment until someone in the Army chain of command grabs sack and puts an end to the nonsense.  From what I understand, nonsense it is, and any commander who will listen to the JAG department will handle it.  What we are seeing is a failure &#8211; or a delay &#8211; of the command to do precisely that.</p>
<p>I respectfully request that you maintain your position and stand for what you know is right.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t tread on me.</p>
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		<title>By: Kanani</title>
		<link>http://militarygear.com/asp/2009/10/29/fed-up-2/#comment-52717</link>
		<dc:creator>Kanani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I meant that Parents in the Huntsville area should contact the State PTA. I think if any of us contact them, we&#039;d be seen as interlopers. So best to get a good solid local effort going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I meant that Parents in the Huntsville area should contact the State PTA. I think if any of us contact them, we&#8217;d be seen as interlopers. So best to get a good solid local effort going.</p>
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