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All Posts Information News February 15 2010
 — By CJ

A friend sent me an interesting article that was written by a retired Naval Captain (Colonel for the sister services) on recent comments by Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen. I won’t comment directly on the letter as I don’t want another 2009 for expressing my opinions specifically on this hot topic, but I will say that the writer brings up topics I’ve discussed both here and on the You Served Radio Show before. Mainly, if we allow homosexuals to serve openly, where do then draw the line on “moral” behavior? Will incest and bestiality then be tolerated? And I don’t mean incest between a father and his 12-years, so I’ll ask my instigators to be intelligent, if possible. I’m talking about two cousins marrying, brothers and sisters, etc. All of which I think is wrong, but I also think homosexual behavior is wrong. I won’t judge those that engage in it, I just think it’s wrong. I think drinking is wrong too, but that doesn’t mean I don’t have friends that drink! Anyway, here’s the letter. Discuss among yourselves.

Note: some language may not be appropriate for young eyes (no profanity, though).

February 8, 2010

Admiral Mike Mullen, USN
Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff
9999 Joint Staff Pentagon
Washington , D.C. 20318-9999

Dear Admiral Mullen:

This letter is in response to your shocking statement last week that you advocate homosexuals openly serving in the military services. I seriously question the wisdom of your position. As I have previously written by my Senator, Harry Reid, and my Congresswoman, Dina Titus, the position appears to be more a matter of Democratic party voter pandering than the solution to a valid military issue. Perhaps it was your willingness to support the Democratic agenda that earned you your present position as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

I am a retired Navy Captain. I enlisted in the Navy in 1948, and served as a Yeoman, Personnelman, Journalist, and Communications Technician, and, as a Petty Officer First Class, received a commission in 1955 through the Integration Program. In my more than 31 years of active duty, I commanded two ships, served as Executive Officer on two ships, commanded Coastal Squadron ONE (Swift Boats) in Vietnam , and was Chief Staff Officer on an Amphibious Squadron. I developed the first Human Affairs Council in a Pacific Fleet ship in 1972, and supervised human affairs activities on seven PHIBRON ships. I am a graduate of the School of Naval Justice , the Management Course at the Navy Postgraduate School , and the Senior Officer course at the Naval War College . After retirement I received a Juris Doctorate from the Hastings College of Law. Like you, I encountered homosexuals throughout my Navy career and in civilian life. Unlike you, I do not find they are more deserving than non-homosexuals or that they constitute a viable or necessary body of troops for the defense of our country.

My experience is Naval. I can’t speak for the Army, Air Force, or Marine Corps. Those services are generally based ashore with nearby civilian communities. In such communities, homosexuals may be able to find sexual gratification without interfering with military duties. But the best analogy to a ship at sea is a prison. There is no other outlet for sexual drives and I know of no prison in the United States that assigns males and females, or who intentionally assign known homosexuals, to the same cell. That is one of the differences between your position and mine.

During my enlisted service, homosexuals seemed to be a clumsy lot. They had a tendency to repeatedly fall headfirst down an engineroom ladder. Some were even known to trip on deck and “fall” overboard. The crew had a way of policing themselves to eliminate homosexual advances. Perhaps you are correct in your assumption that military personnel are more liberal today, but I would look very closely at prevalent attitudes before I closed the book on the issue.

It has been my experience that if sexual favors are available aboard ship, some enterprising sailor, petty officer, or officer will find a way to take advantage of the offer. There is usually a senior/junior relationship in such exchanges and the senior partner will reward the junior with preferential treatment, such as duty assignments, watches, leave, liberty, and advancement. Such preferential treatment can’t be hidden from other crewmembers and tends to destroy the chain of command, discipline and morale. If a Chief Petty Officer, for example, is having sexual relations with a non-rated sailor, it will have an adverse impact on those petty officers between the two in the chain of command. Because of your current assertions, I must assume that you were either lucky and didn’t have the problem during your shipboard assignments, or that you chose to ignore them!

That sexual misconduct in the Navy exists to this day is obvious. I recall that a lesbian ring was discovered on the USS NORTON SOUND back in the late 60′s or early 70′s. At about the same time my wife, now a retired Navy Commander, was Executive Officer at the WAVES Barracks, Great Lakes Naval Training Center . She was aware of many cases of homosexuality involving the WAVES assigned to the Barracks. I also recall that one of the cruisers returning from the First Gulf War reported 40% of the female crewmembers were pregnant after a six-month deployment. Just recently I read that the Commanding Officer and Command Master Chief were relieved from an Atlantic Fleet destroyer because of fraternization between several Chief Petty Officers and female members of the crew. Just the other day I heard news reports that a birth control pill previously reserved for use by women in combat had to be made available to all females in the military, clearly implying that intercourse was occurring in combat units and such conduct was known to unit commanders. Is there some reason you believe that homosexual activity would not also occur or is not occurring?

As you should be aware, the Uniform Code of Military Justice does not address homosexuality, per se. Article 125 provides that sodomy is a felony, to be punished as a court martial may direct. But the Article does not discriminate against homosexuals. Oral or anal sex between persons of the same sex (homosexuals), opposite sex (heterosexuals) or with animals (bestiality) are all considered felonies. However, when the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy was established, it only applied to homosexual activities.

In all my years of service, I never encountered a Commanding Officer who “asked” a subordinate if he was a homosexual. I never knew of a sailor who was subjected to legal sanctions for homosexual conduct without corroborating evidence. A “confession” was not enough. Credible corroborating evidence had to exist and usually took the form of testimony of a participating party.

So the “policy” of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” makes no sense at all, except to create a means of ignoring the law. But the policy can only as effective as the individual’s discretion. As long as the homosexual was discreet, nothing would happen to him. He could be sanctioned only if he wanted to go public. However, by the same token, if a heterosexual indiscreetly advised his Commanding Officer that he had committed sodomy, he would be subject to the same sanctions.

In regard to heterosexual behavior, the UCMJ also proscribes common law marriage under the heading of Unlawful Cohabitation (with or without evidence of sexual intercourse). It sanctions adultery and prostitution (for both the prostitute and the patron). In the case of an officer, merely “consorting with a notorious prostitute” constitutes an offense, again even without evidence of sexual intercourse. The problem is that common law marriage is legal in 11 states and the District of Columbia . I don’t believe that adultery is a criminal offense in any state today. And in my home state of Nevada , even prostitution is legal. I don’t recall you asking Congress to legalize heterosexual sodomy, adultery, prostitution, or common law marriage. There are many punitive articles in the UCMJ that have no relationship to the satisfactory performance of military duties, yet you single out homosexuals for preferred treatment. Again, I must ask “why?”.

The argument I hear most often expounded by the homophiles is that the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy deprives the military of outstanding young men and women who want nothing more than to defend their country and that they have the ability to operate a radar, or a gas turbine, or a gun as well as a heterosexual. That can’t be true. It isn’t the “policy”, it is Article 125 of the UCMJ that criminalizes homosexual behavior since it would be virtually impossible to practice homosexuality without committing sodomy. But, even if it were true, are homosexuals really worth the administrative problems they would create by their mere existence?

The Navy, today, does not willingly accept GED holders for enlistment. Minor criminal records are a bar to enlistment. Visible tattoos and piercings are not permitted. Are these aberrations more damning than sodomy? Personnel may be denied reenlistment if they fail to meet obesity standards. The young men and women denied naval service because of these exclusionary conditions may also want to defend their country and might also be able to satisfactorily operate a radar, or a gas turbine, or a gun. But you are only advocating the acceptance of homosexuals! Why is that, Admiral?

Is it your contention that cohabitors, adulterers, prostitutes, young men and women with tattoos, those with only GEDs, or the obese cannot serve as well as homosexuals? If so, what is your empirical evidence to support such an argument. If we can sanction heterosexual behavior, appearance, and alternative educations, why can’t we sanction homosexual sodomists?

If we get to pick and choose which laws we uphold, which laws are next on the line to ignore? Carnal Knowledge? I would think a service man or woman who has sex with a minor (Carnal Knowledge) could perform military duties as well, if not better, than a homosexual. At least we don’t have children in combat, or in the military at large, for them to accost. Their pedophilia would not impact on the performance of military duties.

If you are successful in your endeavors to have Congress modify the UCMJ, have you given any thought to the long-term repercussions? When I joined the Navy, absence from duty because of venereal disease, self-inflicted wounds, even severe sun burn, was considered “Sick Misconduct”. We were not paid for the periods we were absent from duty and our enlistments were extended on a day-for-day basis. Since AIDS/HIV is more prevalent in the homosexual community than in the heterosexual community, have you considered the consequences of a homosexual serviceman contracting AIDS or HIV? Will the homosexual with AIDS/HIV receive treatment from military sources? Will it be considered a service-connected disability justifying a medical discharge and retirement benefits? Will it result in Veterans Administration disability benefits? And have you considered the likelihood that some of the homosexuals will request sex change procedures? I know for a fact that a significant percentage of my Law School class was undergoing sex change therapy or surgery. It made using heads confusing for both genders. Sex change is an issue being considered in civilian prisons today and I’m not convinced that taxpayers, or military budgets, should be burdened with that expense. But, if you really want homosexuals, you should accept their baggage, as well and their bodies.

Do you also advocate same-sex marriage or “partnerships”? Will the homosexual’s partner be entitled to dependents’ benefits, including health care, BAQ, military base access, and commissary and exchange privileges? Will they be entitled to military housing? Would they be entitled to sex change procedures at government expense?

Would a homosexual openly serving on active duty in a same-sex marriage be prosecuted for adultery if he or she has a sexual relationship outside the marriage? Would a homosexual be prosecuted for prostitution? Perhaps, in such cases, even you would reinstate the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy.

I raise the last point because while serving as Executive Officer on USS CATAMOUNT (LSD-17) in 1967, one of the Radarmen was arrested by local police. While inventorying his personal effects a photograph of the sailor performing fellatio on another male was discovered. The police turned the photo over to the Shore Patrol, who forwarded it to me. During an investigation it was determined that five of the ship’s Radarmen were involved in a male prostitution ring. They declared that while in Radarman Class “A” School at Treasure Island, their instructors convinced them that they could augment their military pay by providing homosexual services to gays in San Francisco. They took advantage of the opportunity presented and continued such activity in San Diego . CATAMOUNT sailed absent several Radarmen and the Class “A” School lost several instructors. Are these otherwise competent Radarmen the type of sailors you want on your ships? I hope not!

Your advocacy of gay rights reminds me of a joke popular in the Australian Navy in the 1970′s. An officer with nearly 20 years service transferred from the Royal Navy to the Royal Australian Navy. When asked why, he stated that when he joined the Royal Navy, homosexuality was a crime and that homosexuals received severe punishment and discharge. After a few years he noticed that senior officers were closing their eyes to the problem. Eventually, it was made permissible. He decided to transfer before it became compulsory. I think you are leading us down that road to compulsion, Admiral!

I fully realize that I should not judge you or your procurement source. I have not walked the mile in your shoes. But, by the same token, you have not walked a mile in mine. I hope that you recognize that we are irreconcilably opposed on this issue, but I think I have given it more thought than you. In retrospect, I now realize that of all the officers I served with on active duty, Naval Academy graduates were the most tolerant of homosexuals. It may only be coincidence, but was there something in the curriculum that created such tolerance? I am aware that there have been numerous scandals regarding drug use, academic cheating, and heterosexual misconduct, but had never before given much thought to their acceptance of homosexual behavior, despite my awareness that there was a tendency toward an anal fixation.

I do hope that you conduct a thorough, in-depth evaluation of this issue, and hope you reach a realistic final determination. Assuming that your personal bias and the power of your office will result in your victory, I will watch retention statistics with a critical eye. Our sailors won’t have the option of transferring to the Australian Navy.

In keeping with the requirements of Navy Regulations, I submit this with all the respect your rank and position deserve.

With due respect;

Lawrence R. Jefferis
Captain , U. S. Navy (Ret.)
[remaining identifying information deleted]


(20) Readers Comments

  1. CJ this is a great letter and I certainly hope Adm. Mullen actually read it and gives it a lot of consideration. My Bible says homosexuality is NOT acceptable in God’s eyes.

    • So you’re going to force your religion on everybody else? Ever hear of freedom or religion? Separation of church and state?

      • What an ignorant comment. What about you? Have you ever heard of freedom of religion? Separation of church and state? Is it OK for Carol to believe that homosexuality is not acceptable in God’s eyes, or should she go back to the 60′s where she belongs too?

        The problem with people who think like you is that you never stop to think about who’s trying to force what on whom. And if by chance they do– they’ll always determine that they’re the victim. And you’ll always come to the conclusion that you’re right.

        • This is going to sound stupid to you. And you’re probably going to hammer me for it.

          If you’ve never been the victim of it, you’ll never understand.

          Never stop thinking about it? I live it every day. I have scars from it. Like the one on my forehead and the one on my back. From someone who was “trying to save me from sin” by slamming a protest sign down on my head. All because I was in my friend’s bookstore saying hello. So I think I understand it just a bit more than you do.

          I respect other people’s religion. I have friends who are wonderful people, and Christian. THEY don’t shove this down other people’s throats.

  2. Sorry, CJ. This is one of those points where we’re going to disagree.

    This guy admits to either knowledge of, or participation in, assault and or murder. Or perhaps he just turned a blind eye to it. That throws any possible facts he may present out the window.

    Someone like this needs to go back to the 1960′s where he belongs. This is 2010. We are not quite so barbaric now.

  3. And that’s definitely not a barbaric comment– “go back to the 1960′s where he belongs.” We, here in 2010 are waaaaaay more enlightened. Sure.

    I can understand your viewpoint on the Captain’s letter– I know that after reading your two comments left on this page, I’m not sure I’ll be able to take anything you say seriously.

    • Way more enlightened now? Absolutely.

      Women belong in the kitchen and pregnant. Water fountains labeled “Whites Only”. Only good gook is a dead gook. Kill a commie for your mommy.

      We do still have a long way to go. I admit that. It disgusts me how patriotic, law-abiding, natural born Americans are treated because they had a father or a grandfather from the Middle East.

      We’re not there yet. But we’re definitely better than we were.

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  5. I stopped taking this letter seriously when he pointed out the nature of homosexuals being a clumbsy lot. The undertone was that he was ok with the men taking issues into their own hands. This means that if my daughter or son serves, this writer thinks its ok for them to be violated for whatever reason strikes their comrads fancy.
    NY-David

  6. “The undertone was that he was ok with the men taking issues into their own hands.”

    No, the context was the potential problems that would arise from the proposal. One of those problems is that there may not be the broad acceptance of those who announce their homosexuality. The “clumsy” events may possibly be more widespread or even more severe.

    • I can understand why he would think that. He’s the product of a generation where it was considered something hideous. Back then, it was also against the law for a black man to even date a white woman, never mind marry one.

      Today its accepted as normal. Its a different time. I don’t see it happening. At least not to any huge degree.

  7. I understand that Britain and the Netherlands accept homosexuals in their ranks; however, they are not allowed to serve in combat units. Does anyone else know about this policy in other countries?

    • I did about a 10 minute web search, and everything I’ve seen says they can serve openly with no restrictions. Hell, they just started actively recruiting them earlier this month as a recruitment goal. All of Europe is like that.

  8. In response to 10:05

    If that is the case, it doesn’t seem there would be a need for hate crimes legislation in that regard or the promotion of school policies to promote acceptance.

    Consider this point in the issue as well:

    “Repeal of ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ could affect military chaplains’ religious freedom”

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/repeal_of_dont_ask_dont_tell_could_affect_military_chaplains_religious_freedom/

    No matter what splinter groups of the Catholic faith try to promote, the teaching of the Catholic faith is clear: the practice of homosexuality is a grave sin. (note, the practice, the condemnation of the individual)

    I don’t want to initiate a religious discussion, but just wanted to point out that the Constitution provides for religious freedom.

  9. note the practice, NOT the condemnation (I forgot that all important 3 letter word)

  10. How about Russia’s policy:

    Russia is one of the very few other countries in the world with a blurred line. In Russia, the policy holds that “well-adjusted homosexuals” are permitted to serve in a “normal capacity.” But those alleged to have “sexual identity problems” are to be drafted only during wartime.

    http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2010/02/03/where-gays-do-serve-openly-in-the-military/

    Would you call that policy a good one?

    More from the same article,

    Gen. Robert Magnus, who served as assistant commandant of the Marine Corps until his retirement in 2008, was among the hundreds of retired officers who signed a letter to Obama from the Center for Military Readiness last year warning against a repeal of the policy.

    Magnus said that while he respects other countries, such as Israel and the U.K., that have allowed gays to openly serve, he does not believe their example informs what is best for the U.S.

    In Israel, he pointed out, there is universal conscription for all healthy men and women. The Israeli military, which adopted its openly gay policy in the early 1990s, is a place where men and women often meet their future spouses and where dating is a common occurrence. It’s part of the military culture. So creating equality for gays could be seen as making sense in that culture, Magnus said.

    In the U.S. military, there is no tolerance for either heterosexual or homosexual relationships. There’s a policy against any sexual relations in the service. It’s not part of the culture, he said.

    Similarly, U.S. Army Lt. Col. Robert Maginnis, who has studied the British military system and who was part of the impact study of the U.S. military prior to the 1993 “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy, said, “I love the Brits, but they are very different from the U.S. military. They have a different culture.”

    Maginnis said that the British army is much smaller at only 100,000 troops compared to the U.S. military, which has an active service of 1.5 million and a reserve force of some 170,000.

    “The Brits don’t have the same force and the comparison just doesn’t work,” he said.

  11. Finally, (and I speak as a non-military person), isn’t the military trying to recruit Muslims in order to utilize their language skills? How will the repeal of DADT affect that recruitment and what potential problems will arise? Is it acceptable to allow Muslims in the military to speak against the practice of homosexuality but not Catholics or other faiths?

    • “Finally, (and I speak as a non-military person), isn’t the military trying to recruit Muslims in order to utilize their language skills? How will the repeal of DADT affect that recruitment and what potential problems will arise? Is it acceptable to allow Muslims in the military to speak against the practice of homosexuality but not Catholics or other faiths?”

      Talking about religion in the military workplace is not condoned or acceptable just like it is not acceptable to talk about sex, politics or anything else that detracts from the military mission at hand.

      Practice of religion is protected by the first ammendment not the condemnation of other religions or even sexual persuasions. Why can’t people get this through there heads. Bigotry (racial, sexist, ageist, ethnic, sexual orientation, etc) of any kind is not and should not be tolerated in the military.

      Most of my Navy shipmates and brothers and sisters in the other service arms, I work with on a daily basis would give a rat’s ass what sexual orientation of the person dressing their wounds or giving them first aid to save their life. Seriously? Does it really matter?!?

  12. No way am I going to read that Captain’s book! All that crap means zilch to millions of vets, combat and sustaining, who never gave a thought to the sexual preferences of their sisters and brothers.
    Most of us just went about our jobs. Many change, befriended their buddies undergoing civilians discrimination that absolutely hurt hurt us and angered us when we realized the hate was against all military people, their families and the country we SWORE to defend, even if that meant giving up our very life.
    I am very proud to serve and resent the hateful comments and diatribes of those who simply have NO SHAME!

  13. I never read such a piece of garbage before. The old man is trapped in a time warp. Attitudes have changed since 1948. That was a time when blacks were segregated in the military. This Captain cannot contain his own prejudices.

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