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All Posts Information Perspectives February 17 2010
 — By CJ

Got this from the National Association for Gun Rights, one of the right-wing extremist groups I belong to that defend our constitutional rights to keep and bear arms. It’s so unbelievable I had to share.

According to Cedric Glover, mayor of Shreveport, Louisiana, his cops “have a power that [. . .] the President of these Unites States does not have”: His cops can take away your rights.

And would you like to guess which rights he has in mind?

Just ask Shreveport resident Robert Baillio, who got pulled over for having two pro-gun bumper stickers on the back of his truck — and had his gun confiscated.

While the officer who pulled him over says Baillio failed to use his turn signal, the only questions he had for Baillio concerned guns: Whether he had a gun, where the gun was, and if he was a member of a pro-gun organization.

No requests for a driver’s licence, proof of insurance, or vehicle registration — and no discussion of a turn signal.

Accordingly, Baillio told the officer the truth, which led the police officer to search his car without permission and confiscate his gun.

However, not only does Louisiana law allow residents to drive with loaded weapons in their vehicles, but Mr. Baillio possessed a concealed carry license!

What does such behavior demonstrate, other than transparent political profiling — going so far as to use the infamous Department of Homeland Security report on “Americans of a rightwing persuasion” as a how-to guidebook, no less?

Mr. Baillio made no secret of his political affiliations: An American flag centers a wide flourish of pro-freedom stickers and decals on his back windshield.

In fact, when Baillio asked the officer if everyone he pulls over gets the same treatment, the officer said no and pointed to the back of his truck.

Baillio phoned Mayor Glover to complain about this “suspension of rights” only to find that his city’s morbidly obese “commander in chief” was elated at the story: According to Glover, Baillio got “served well, protected well, and even got a consideration that maybe [he] should not have gotten.”

Thankfully, Mr. Baillio recorded a good bit of that phone call. You can watch a video with the transcriptions here. I’ve reproduced a chunk of the call below:

Baillio: (in the context of being asked about the presence of a gun) Well, I answered that question honestly, and he disarmed me.

Glover: Which would be an appropriate and proper action, sir. The fact that you gave the correct answer — it simply means that you did what it is you were supposed to have done, and that is to give that weapon to the police officer so he could appropriately place it in a place where it would not be a threat to you, to him, or to anyone in the general public.

[. . .]

Glover: My direction to you is that, had you chosen not to properly identify the fact that you had a weapon and directed that officer to where that weapon was located; had you been taken from the vehicle, and the officer, in the interest of his safety, chose to secure you in a safe position, and then looked, found, and determined that you did, in fact, have a weapon…then, sir, you would have faced additional, [inaudible], and more severe criminal sanctions.

Baillio: So what you’re saying is: I give up all my rights to keep and bear arms if I’m stopped by the police: Is that correct?

Glover: Sir, you have no right, when you have been pulled over by a police officer for a potential criminal offense [which would be what?! - DB] to stand there with your weapon at your side in your hand [Baillio's weapon was nowhere near his side or his hand, and Glover knew that. - DB] because of your second amendment rights, sir. That does not mean at that point your second amendment right has been taken away; it means at that particular point in time, it has been suspended.

Will Grigg from ProLibertate, an excellent freedom blog, has this to say:

According to Glover, a police officer may properly disarm any civilian at any time, and the civilian’s duty is to surrender his gun — willingly, readily, cheerfully, without cavil or question.

From Glover’s perspective, it is only when firearms are in the hands of people other than the state’s uniformed enforcers/oppressors that they constitute a threat, not only to the public and those in charge of exercising official violence but also to the private gun owner himself.

NAGR spoke with Mr. Baillio, and he told us that he’s in the process of securing the official procedures and codes for firearm handling and private property confiscation for the Shreveport police department.

So far, the city has been half-heartedly cooperating with him.

“I felt sick,” Baillio told NAGR. “My uncles didn’t die for this country so I could surrender my rights like a wimp. I felt terrible. I was just thinking of all that my family has done for freedom in this nation — including dying — and here they are disarming me at a traffic stop.”

What to do?

1. Read Luke’s commentary here, and participate in the discussion by leaving a comment.
2. Send this around. This kind of behavior cannot go unchecked.
3. Call Mayor Glover’s office to complain: (318) 673-5050.

I’ll leave you with one last consideration. As a licensed firearms instructor in charge of a hundred different students every month, I’m often asked if citizens should voluntarily inform police officers of the presence of a firearm during a routine traffic stop.

While different states have different laws, my answer for Colorado citizens is an emphatic “No”: Colorado law doesn’t require you to volunteer that kind of information, and this case in Louisiana proves why, if at all possible, you should never invite trouble by doing so.

For Liberty,

Dudley Brown
Executive Director
National Association for Gun Rights

P.S. NAGR maintains a gun rights blog that our members use to keep abreast of current gun rights developments.

To visit the blog, click here or point your browser to www.NationalGunRights.org/Blog.

[Author's Note: The OPINIONS expressed here are solely those of the author and do not represent those of any agency of the United States Government, expressly including, but not limited to, the Department of Defense or the United States Army. This site is not designed, authorized, sanctioned, or affiliated, by or with, any agency of the United States Government, expressly including, but not limited to, the Department of Defense or the United States Army. This post is in accordance with DODD 1344.10, which expressly permits me to "express a personal opinion on political candidates and issues, but not as a representative of the Armed Forces." Therefore, I hereby declare that I do not write this post as a representative of the Armed Forces. Since I no longer own this site, consider this post also in compliance with the provisions of paragraph 4.1.1.6 of DODD 1344.10.]

(13) Readers Comments

  1. While I staunchly support the 2nd amendment, it would appear that some “profiling” is in place. While many of us don’t mind profiling it would appear from this post that you are against this type of profiling. It would be a sliperry slope to condone one type of profiling not wanting another.
    Regardless, they should have returned the weapon when noting that it was properly licensed and within the law.
    NY-David

    • The actual story does stated that the gun was returned to the owner as soon as the traffic stop was concluded. This is the problem with so many stories that get told and retold, things are left out or words changed for emotional effect, such as secured to confiscated.

  2. David, I don’t mind profiling. What I mind is people’s rights being, as the mayor put it, “suspended” for no reason. I’ve been pulled over here with a gun strapped to my side with no issue. This man didn’t even have the gun on him and the questioning was out of line.

    • Agreed. As Bob, my favorite Liberal stated, it should have been returned, once investigated.
      NY-David

  3. Yeah, this is definitely profiling.

    I understand removing and securing the weapon. But once the situation was over, and the legality of the holder confirmed, it should have been returned to him. They had no right to seize it.

    The problem is, most police officers see gun and believe its illegal. That’s how they’re trained. And that needs to be fixed.

    (Surprised to be hearing this from a liberal? Well, just because I’m a liberal doesn’t mean I don’t believe in the second amendment. besides, I’m also a gun owner.)

    • Liberals:
      Were the founding fathers.
      The original Republican Party.
      Support all amendments, including the 2nd.
      Decided we needed to be involved in WWII.
      NY-David

    • It was removed and secured and returned at the time of the stop. That was left out with this re-telling. I know a lot of people in law enforcement and you are incorrect about their thoughts on guns. Most are very staunch supporters of the 2nd amendment and fight for your rights as well as their own. They just want to go home to their family each night and to do so, they have to be safe. Traffic stops are one of the most dangerous times for a Police Officer, more die there than most other incidents.

  4. Guns were confiscated after Hurrican Katrina from law abiding citizens too.

  5. It was wrong during Katrina too.

  6. The NRA also sued the city for this and it shall not happen again

    • When were they sued and ,what was the outcome?

  7. NY David:

    I have no idea where you came up with that but it is cheap fiction.

    The founding fathers were extraordinarily conservative by any reasonable standard.

    The original Republicans were of Lincoln’s ilk and bore NO resemblance to liberals of today.

    Find me a freaking liberal who believes anyone besides themselves deserves to own a firearm of any kind. There are none.

    WW2 was FDR’s war and no one in congress would dare have opposed him in getting into it. He used that war to truly end the depression he could not get us out of in any other way, and actively tried to get us into it as early as mid 1940.

    Get some oxygen and a clue there.

  8. The officer and the mayor are wrong to a degree I have just have just recently completed the concealed permit class as a concealed permit holder we r supposed to advise the officer that we r concealed permit holders and submit our weapon to the officer for safety concerns that is understandable but they must give you firearm back to you when the traffic stop is complete they have no right to confiscate it if it is not an illegal firearm. The mayor and officer were in the wrong on that.

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